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Post by cecil on Dec 13, 2015 7:58:18 GMT
Wow Ian has done it again. When I first heard Tull it was the amazing thick as a brick. The albums I bought after that were quite often strong and some made me wonder where the real Tull was. But all my questions have been answered initially with the remasters and now even better with the remixes. I always thought too old and Warchild seemed like Tull weren't composing and playing the way Tull do. I thought for ages that this doesn't feel like Tull. Now with the remixes I definitely see they weren't being Tull. Because when I keep listening to salamander ragtime, commercial traveller, strip cartoon, small cigar orchestral, glory row, good godmother, saturation, quartet, march the mad scientist, rainbow blues, paradise steakhouse I keep thinking this is Tull. This is how Ian sings and composes, that's how Martin plays his riffs and Barrie, Hammond and Evan do their stuff. These are mainly the first songs I would have thought were chosen in 74 and 76 but they were the last chosen. Ian was too fixed on soundtracks for these 2 albums. He put the real Tull aside for music and vocals which fit his movie and play ideas. But he did manage to sneak some Tull in still with skating away, Warchild, queen and country, solitaire, chequered flag, old greaser etc.
This could have been another great Tull album with the best songs being the 4 new additions plus chequered flag.
Strip cartoon From a deadbeat Salamanders ragtime Pied piper Commercial traveller Salamander Big Dipper Small cigar(orchestral) Quiz kid Chequered flag
This would have matched the excellence of SFTW and Horses
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Post by bunkerfan on Dec 13, 2015 8:28:43 GMT
Wow Ian has done it again. When I first heard Tull it was the amazing thick as a brick. The albums I bought after that were quite often strong and some made me wonder where the real Tull was. But all my questions have been answered initially with the remasters and now even better with the remixes. I always thought too old and Warchild seemed like Tull weren't composing and playing the way Tull do. I thought for ages that this doesn't feel like Tull. Now with the remixes I definitely see they weren't being Tull. Because when I keep listening to salamander ragtime, commercial traveller, strip cartoon, small cigar orchestral, glory row, good godmother, saturation, quartet, march the mad scientist, rainbow blues, paradise steakhouse I keep thinking this is Tull. This is how Ian sings and composes, that's how Martin plays his riffs and Barrie, Hammond and Evan do their stuff. These are mainly the first songs I would have thought were chosen in 74 and 76 but they were the last chosen. Ian was too fixed on soundtracks for these 2 albums. He put the real Tull aside for music and vocals which fit his movie and play ideas. But he did manage to sneak some Tull in still with skating away, Warchild, queen and country, solitaire, chequered flag, old greaser etc. This could have been another great Tull album with the best songs being the 4 new additions plus chequered flag. Strip cartoon From a deadbeat Salamanders ragtime Pied piper Commercial traveller Salamander Big Dipper Small cigar(orchestral) Quiz kid Chequered flag This would have matched the excellence of SFTW and Horses Hello cecil welcome to The Jethro Tull Forum. Yes, I think you have a good point, Ian was very focused on making a movie and maybe just strayed a bit too far from that Tull sound.
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Post by cecil on Dec 13, 2015 9:09:18 GMT
Wow Ian has done it again. When I first heard Tull it was the amazing thick as a brick. The albums I bought after that were quite often strong and some made me wonder where the real Tull was. But all my questions have been answered initially with the remasters and now even better with the remixes. I always thought too old and Warchild seemed like Tull weren't composing and playing the way Tull do. I thought for ages that this doesn't feel like Tull. Now with the remixes I definitely see they weren't being Tull. Because when I keep listening to salamander ragtime, commercial traveller, strip cartoon, small cigar orchestral, glory row, good godmother, saturation, quartet, march the mad scientist, rainbow blues, paradise steakhouse I keep thinking this is Tull. This is how Ian sings and composes, that's how Martin plays his riffs and Barrie, Hammond and Evan do their stuff. These are mainly the first songs I would have thought were chosen in 74 and 76 but they were the last chosen. Ian was too fixed on soundtracks for these 2 albums. He put the real Tull aside for music and vocals which fit his movie and play ideas. But he did manage to sneak some Tull in still with skating away, Warchild, queen and country, solitaire, chequered flag, old greaser etc. This could have been another great Tull album with the best songs being the 4 new additions plus chequered flag. Strip cartoon From a deadbeat Salamanders ragtime Pied piper Commercial traveller Salamander Big Dipper Small cigar(orchestral) Quiz kid Chequered flag This would have matched the excellence of SFTW and Horses Hello cecil welcome to The Jethro Tull Forum. Yes, I think you have a good point, Ian was very focused on making a movie and maybe just strayed a bit too far from that Tull sound. Ian even sang differently to suit the soundtrack. The plan was to release 2 albums in 74 and also 76. A soundtrack and a usual Tull album. I'm loving the altered track list I programmed on my cd player for Too old. The classic Tull sound is back, Ian's voice is back and so are the Tull melodies. Its just as good as Songs from the wood, Heavy horses and Stormwatch. Too old has gone from 6/10 to 8.5/10 with the inclusion of the outtakes replacing other songs. It's a great listen and makes me enjoy the surrounding songs more too. Warchild as a double album is a big improvement over the original too. A passion play and Aqualing remixes are excellent too. The extended foot of the stairs is awesome. Side 2 of app is as good as side 1 of taab and big top, sailor, audition, left right sound great now. Love disc 2 on aqualung and how great the quad of hymn sounds. Don't forget teacher and witches promise on benefit too. Tull were the same quality all the way through the 70s. Every year of the 70s they had 40 minutes of excellent music except for 1975 imo. These remixes are amazingly good. Once the remixes are completed for the 70s there will be twice as many awesome tracks than the original albums gave us in the 70s. No one expected another 6-8 gems to be hidden in the vaults from app, warchild and too old remixes. Can't wait for the folk trilogy. More unreleased tracks will be awesome. Ian leaves his best until last
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 13, 2015 9:48:14 GMT
Wow Ian has done it again. When I first heard Tull it was the amazing thick as a brick. The albums I bought after that were quite often strong and some made me wonder where the real Tull was. But all my questions have been answered initially with the remasters and now even better with the remixes. I always thought too old and Warchild seemed like Tull weren't composing and playing the way Tull do. I thought for ages that this doesn't feel like Tull. Now with the remixes I definitely see they weren't being Tull. Because when I keep listening to salamander ragtime, commercial traveller, strip cartoon, small cigar orchestral, glory row, good godmother, saturation, quartet, march the mad scientist, rainbow blues, paradise steakhouse I keep thinking this is Tull. This is how Ian sings and composes, that's how Martin plays his riffs and Barrie, Hammond and Evan do their stuff. These are mainly the first songs I would have thought were chosen in 74 and 76 but they were the last chosen. Ian was too fixed on soundtracks for these 2 albums. He put the real Tull aside for music and vocals which fit his movie and play ideas. But he did manage to sneak some Tull in still with skating away, Warchild, queen and country, solitaire, chequered flag, old greaser etc. This could have been another great Tull album with the best songs being the 4 new additions plus chequered flag. Strip cartoon From a deadbeat Salamanders ragtime Pied piper Commercial traveller Salamander Big Dipper Small cigar(orchestral) Quiz kid Chequered flag This would have matched the excellence of SFTW and Horses Hi cecil and welcome along to The JT Forum. I suppose it's a pity that TOTRnR was never actually recorded as a theatrical production "soundtrack" as it was meant to be because we will never get to hear it as it was originally intended. I just wonder what it would have sounded like and how the stage show would have been received by the general public and, importantly, by the fans. Alas we'll never know.
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Post by cecil on Dec 13, 2015 10:28:51 GMT
Wow Ian has done it again. When I first heard Tull it was the amazing thick as a brick. The albums I bought after that were quite often strong and some made me wonder where the real Tull was. But all my questions have been answered initially with the remasters and now even better with the remixes. I always thought too old and Warchild seemed like Tull weren't composing and playing the way Tull do. I thought for ages that this doesn't feel like Tull. Now with the remixes I definitely see they weren't being Tull. Because when I keep listening to salamander ragtime, commercial traveller, strip cartoon, small cigar orchestral, glory row, good godmother, saturation, quartet, march the mad scientist, rainbow blues, paradise steakhouse I keep thinking this is Tull. This is how Ian sings and composes, that's how Martin plays his riffs and Barrie, Hammond and Evan do their stuff. These are mainly the first songs I would have thought were chosen in 74 and 76 but they were the last chosen. Ian was too fixed on soundtracks for these 2 albums. He put the real Tull aside for music and vocals which fit his movie and play ideas. But he did manage to sneak some Tull in still with skating away, Warchild, queen and country, solitaire, chequered flag, old greaser etc. This could have been another great Tull album with the best songs being the 4 new additions plus chequered flag. Strip cartoon From a deadbeat Salamanders ragtime Pied piper Commercial traveller Salamander Big Dipper Small cigar(orchestral) Quiz kid Chequered flag This would have matched the excellence of SFTW and Horses Hi cecil and welcome along to The JT Forum. I suppose it's a pity that TOTRnR was never actually recorded as a theatrical production "soundtrack" as it was meant to be because we will never get to hear it as it was originally intended. I just wonder what it would have sounded like and how the stage show would have been received by the general public and, importantly, by the fans. Alas we'll never know. If Ian got to do the movie and play he may not have had time to produce the album worth of extras from 74 and half album from 76. He probably should have treated his ideas as solo projects. Anyway we have the songs now and may have had more songs in 76 to fill a second album worth but the band ran out of time. But I'm really happy with these remixes. I hear aqualung will be done again but the outtakes will be remixed. Hopefully the quads are included and remixed too
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Post by futureshock on Dec 13, 2015 19:18:27 GMT
The album has a solid storyboard in it and in the hands of a talented and independent play producer, it could be filled out, staged and toured. Forget about trying to make it involve Ian Anderson's schedule, preferences and idiosyncrasies, just run with it in New York with an independent troupe who can get things done.
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 14, 2015 8:59:58 GMT
The album has a solid storyboard in it and in the hands of a talented and independent play producer, it could be filled out, staged and toured. Forget about trying to make it involve Ian Anderson's schedule, preferences and idiosyncrasies, just run with it in New York with an independent troupe who can get things done. Based on the success of "Sunny Afternoon", the musical about the Kinks and featuring Tull legend Ryan O'Donnell, I would guess the idea is a sound one. In the hands of a decent artistic director, good actors and singers and imaginative staging it would be a worthwhile enterprise. The only thing holding it back would be the era it is set in but if it was brought up to date it could well be a winner of sorts. Interesting idea
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Post by fjtull on Dec 14, 2015 21:39:04 GMT
Hi, after some multiple listening I have to say I am satisfied. To these hears, this one is the one that, after Aqualung, benefited the most of the SW remixing. Anyone has any guess why on earth they decided to put "quiz kid version 1" on CD 1 and not onto CD 2 with the other associated recordings? (it would have fitted onto CD 2 , also lenght wise!)
Anyway, minor point... :-)
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Post by onewhiteduck on Dec 15, 2015 10:17:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 13:36:53 GMT
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 21, 2015 16:15:58 GMT
Boxing day: New CD sets abound for the holidays From The Beatles, Miles Davis and Lead Belly to Aretha, Ol' Blue Eyes and The Boss, the latest CD boxed sets cater to many musical tastes and pocketbooks. We review the latest batch.
George Varga | 6 a.m. Dec. 20, 2015 www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/dec/20/2015-cd-boxed-set-reviews/Jethro Tull, “Too Old to Rock ‘N’ Roll: Too Young to Die!” (Rhino/Parlophone), 2 CDs, 2 DVDs, $33.99How does a 10-song vinyl concept album released in 1976 by Jethro Tull morph into a 126-song double-CD and DVD boxed set in 2015? This set’s accompanying 80-page booklet will help explain the rather complicated answer. Whether you have sufficient interest to read it, and to wade through all the music, will reflect your devotion to this pioneering English blues, rock and jazz band-turned-prog-rock heroes. In a nutshell, this well-packaged set offers several versions of the album, including one that was entirely re-recorded for an English TV special, then mimed by the band for the telecast. Lead singer and flutist Ian Anderson clearly didn’t take the occasion too seriously, as evidenced by the glee with which he “sings” part of “Too Old to Rock ‘N’ Roll’s” baroque title track while – attention, Country Dick Montana fans! – a big swig of beer he had just pretended to gulp down dribbles from his mouth. This proudly over-the-top DVD performance may not have inspired any specific scenes from the satirical movie “This is Spinal Tap,” but it should have. There are also concert versions of songs from “Too Old to Rock ‘N’ Roll,” alternate takes, remixed versions and 18 previously unreleased bonus tracks. Each has been remixed, along with the DVDs, by Porcupine Tree’s Steven Wilson, who has become the go-to guy for classic prog-rock album overhauls. This album does not rise to the level of such landmark Jethro Tull album as “Stand Up” and “Aqualung.” But it does capture the then-nine-year-old band in the calm before the already brewing punk-rock storm that was about to turn the English music scene upside down, an upheaval telegraphed by “Too Old to Rock ‘N’ Roll: Too Young to Die!” unintentionally prescient title.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 13:59:41 GMT
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Post by Tull50 on Dec 28, 2015 2:46:49 GMT
I just got the new work of Steven Wilson Jethro Tull "Too Old To Rock 'n' Roll: Too Young To Die - The TV Special Edition Deluxe (2cd/2dvd), even without any hearing to review it. To my surprise already on youtube the video remastered By Bruno S. Take advantage to see it before it is probably removed.
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Post by JTull 007 on Dec 28, 2015 3:41:33 GMT
I just got the new work of Steven Wilson Jethro Tull "Too Old To Rock 'n' Roll: Too Young To Die - The TV Special Edition Deluxe (2cd/2dvd), even without any hearing to review it. To my surprise already on youtube the video remastered By Bruno S. Take advantage to see it before it is probably removed. Wow! This is the best quality so far! Muchas Gracias to Bruno and Sir Remy for posting. I never realized how 'Crazed' Ian looked till he put on make-up and platform shoes
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 18:01:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 14:32:36 GMT
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Post by ash on Feb 18, 2016 17:31:40 GMT
The title track is the most popular tour of duty beads, but the theme-alppari is a fine line sandwiched in the golden era of the 1970s. Unfinished rock-opera matsku is by no means dependent on the jousisovitetun kamarirockiksi theme song, dedicated to the musakalkkiksille From A Dead Beat To An Old Greaser and the main character's comeback forefront of celebrating The Chequered Flag are really cool slow jams. terms of hard rock and blues expenditure is in tackiness, but Martin Barre acoustic guitar patterns brighten the luster of many stygen. The folder for TV Specials remixing of recorded separately clear the set, the original flat plate transfer format, as well as the plate only five multi-track recording. left over sessions, the songs are so good and virkeitä experience complements that double levykin would have worked well. Televisiokuvaelma recalls hilarious Jethro fan Gösta Sundqvist TV videos as funny costumes and camera trickery studio, staircase or the canteen sufficient dramaturgy. Folder booklet to find out stages of the project, the problems and consequences of openly. My figures are excellent centerfold comic book artist Dave Gibbons, for a short time bassist John Glascock shone and Greaser Anderson-motorbikes. Asko Alanen www.soundi.fi/levyarviot/jethro-tull-too-old-to-rocknroll-too-young-to-die/
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 18, 2016 19:06:39 GMT
The title track is the most popular tour of duty beads, but the theme-alppari is a fine line sandwiched in the golden era of the 1970s. Unfinished rock-opera matsku is by no means dependent on the jousisovitetun kamarirockiksi theme song, dedicated to the musakalkkiksille From A Dead Beat To An Old Greaser and the main character's comeback forefront of celebrating The Chequered Flag are really cool slow jams. terms of hard rock and blues expenditure is in tackiness, but Martin Barre acoustic guitar patterns brighten the luster of many stygen. The folder for TV Specials remixing of recorded separately clear the set, the original flat plate transfer format, as well as the plate only five multi-track recording. left over sessions, the songs are so good and virkeitä experience complements that double levykin would have worked well. Televisiokuvaelma recalls hilarious Jethro fan Gösta Sundqvist TV videos as funny costumes and camera trickery studio, staircase or the canteen sufficient dramaturgy. Folder booklet to find out stages of the project, the problems and consequences of openly. My figures are excellent centerfold comic book artist Dave Gibbons, for a short time bassist John Glascock shone and Greaser Anderson-motorbikes. Asko Alanen www.soundi.fi/levyarviot/jethro-tull-too-old-to-rocknroll-too-young-to-die/The words "hovercraft" and "eels" spring readily to mind. "I will not buy this record, it is scratched."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 13:19:09 GMT
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 8, 2016 8:32:55 GMT
Interesting choice of album. Maybe to tie in with the recent re-jig ?
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 9, 2016 9:39:13 GMT
Interesting choice of album. Maybe to tie in with the recent re-jig ? www.repubblica.it/spettacoli/musica/2016/03/08/news/record_store_day-135015463/?refresh_ceAmong international novelty report Melancholy Mood of Bob Dylan, a 45 with four tracks that precedes the release of a new album Fallen Angels , in stores May 20, Foregrow of John Frusciante , the experimental project of the former guitarist of the Red Hot Chili Peppers inspired by the soundtracks of John Carpenter, Ghetto Walkin of Miles Davis with Robert Glasper and Bilal from the album out in May, a Season on the Line of songwriter Glen Hansard , the Irish rocker who also like Springsteen and the album remix of El Pintor of Interpol . of the rock star David Bowie arrive on picture disc of the Man who Sold the World and TVC15 , single from Station to Station , which celebrates the fortieth anniversary as Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll: Too Young to Die! of Jethro Tull .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 16:34:02 GMT
Jethro Tull Too Old To Rock 'n' Roll: Too Young to Die! Rhino/Parlophone LP 3000 available recordstoreday.co.uk/exclusive-releases/rsd-2016/jethro-tull/www.recordstoreday.com/SpecialRelease/8345This Record Store Day release captures a live concert initially recorded for a British TV show in 1975, pressed on black 180 gram vinyl. Side 1 1. Prelude 2. Quiz Kid 3. Crazed Institution 4. Salamander 5. Taxi Grab 6. From a Dead Beat to an Old Greaser Side 2 1. Bad-Eyed and Loveless 2. Big Dipper 3. Too Old to Rock N Roll: Too Young to Die! 4. Pied Piper 5. The Chequered Flag (Dead or Alive)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 17:38:05 GMT
Vinyl THIS IS A RECORD STORE DAY 2016 EXCLUSIVE AND WILL BE AVAILABLE INSTORE ON SATURDAY APRIL 16TH ON A FIRST COME FIRST SERVED BASIS, LIMITED TO ONE PER PERSON. IF THERE ARE ANY REMAINING COPIES THEY WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE ONLINE AT 12.01AM SATURDAY APRIL 23rd. Recorded live for a British TV show back in 1975, previously released on the DVD in the recent Thick As A Brick configuration. 40th anniversary of release.
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Post by JTull 007 on Mar 23, 2016 0:51:01 GMT
Vinyl THIS IS A RECORD STORE DAY 2016 EXCLUSIVE AND WILL BE AVAILABLE INSTORE ON SATURDAY APRIL 16TH ON A FIRST COME FIRST SERVED BASIS, LIMITED TO ONE PER PERSON. IF THERE ARE ANY REMAINING COPIES THEY WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE ONLINE AT 12.01AM SATURDAY APRIL 23rd. Recorded live for a British TV show back in 1975, previously released on the DVD in the recent Thick As A Brick configuration. 40th anniversary of release. April 16th !!! I'll be traveling to HOT'lanta for JETHRO TULL written & performed by Ian Anderson It looks like I would have to get my son to be there in my place... Not sure yet...
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Post by rockodyssey on Jul 3, 2016 14:12:12 GMT
Next step on the odyssey.... TOO OLD TO ROCK AND ROLL, TOO YOUNG TO DIE (1976)
Anderson seems to attack this album with an astonishing level of commitment and confidence. Yet another concept album, and at the more comprehensible end of that spectrum too. His protagonist, Ray Lomas, is a rocker past his sell-by date, punk is coming and he's becoming obsolete. The video of the title track is quite a production (rather like the song) and features Anderson and the band playing the lascivious old geezers against a young punkette. It's also notable for some terrible miming, especially as they sing the chorus while slurping from teacups. Musically they run a thread of a simple pizzicato hook throughout. The opening three tracks set the pace for the rest of the album, 'Quizz Kid' and 'Crazed Institution' are good catchy songs and Salamander returns to the acoustic style of 'Fat Man' (although not with the South Asian instruments) and 'Skating Away'. There's a sad tone to 'From A Dead Beat To An Old Greaser'. I have a theory that Fish had the opening two lines of 'Big Dipper' on his mind when he was writing Marillion's Misplaced Childhood, mist rolling in and trains all feature in 'Bitter Suite'. That last bit of 'Too Old....' where they abruptly change the song from a slow ballad to a quick rocker really shouldn't work, but it does. Back to the video and the band transform into their modern personas for that part, which unfortunately in Anderson's case means some kind of mock-mediaeval tunic, jodhpurs and presumably a cuke down the pants. Not sure about the cover. Very much of it's time I suppose. Next up, some kitchen prose and gutter rhymes.
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 20, 2019 8:17:19 GMT
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Post by orion12 on Oct 30, 2020 21:10:28 GMT
Not too much beloved album, but I love this tune.
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Post by acreman on Oct 30, 2020 22:44:44 GMT
Not too much beloved album, but I love this tune.
Crazed Institution is my favorite song on the album. Taxi Grab is another good one.
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Post by 61jtull on Oct 30, 2020 22:52:05 GMT
I have mixed emotions about "Too old to rock and roll". It has some good tunes and Ian is in fine voice, but I tend to rate it lower then Tull's other stellar 70's albums. I guess the irony is that TOR&R is sandwiched between two of my favorite albums(Tull or anyone else!) in Minstrel in the Gallery and Songs from the Woods.
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Post by itullian on Jun 10, 2021 19:17:20 GMT
I love this album. I find invention and beauty all through it. The remix is excellent and the addition of Small Cigar and Strip Cartoon polish off another great Tull album imo. I love the artwork as well.
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