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Post by steelmonkey on Nov 22, 2014 3:34:16 GMT
About 48 hours around here till War.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 15:54:17 GMT
www.antimusic.com/news/14/November/ts17Jethro_Tull_Streaming_Ward_Child_Reissue_Track.shtml On Monday Jethro Tull Streaming War Child Reissue Track was a top story. Here is the recap: (Classic Rock) Jethro Tull have streamed another track from the upcoming limited-edition 40th anniversary edition of their classic 1974 album War Child. The song The Orchestral WarChild Theme can now be heard ahead of the three-disc package's official release on November 24. Previously unreleased track War Child II was made available to stream earlier this month. The set includes a new mix by Steven Wilson plus music and a script synopsis from the abandoned film which was intended to accompany the original release. The movie, set to star Leonard Rossiter, was shelved after the band failed to secure funding. War Child was instead released as a standard 10-track album. War Child:
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 24, 2014 15:28:49 GMT
Incredible that the orchestral themes have been gathering dust in their respective boxes in the tape library all these years.
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Post by steelmonkey on Nov 24, 2014 18:00:35 GMT
Got an email yesterday ( Sunday) saying my War Child was shipped....Nu? So does it come later today or later this week,?
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Post by rainbowblue on Nov 24, 2014 19:32:50 GMT
Help! Help! I`m confused Is the single CD Steve Wilson Remix included in the box set or do I have to buy both tomorrow. The description says "in addition" Thanks!
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Post by onewhiteduck on Nov 24, 2014 20:04:28 GMT
CD 1 is the Steven Wilson album re-mastered in all it's glory - it's superb really is.
Further review to follow ......
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Post by steelmonkey on Nov 24, 2014 21:43:45 GMT
Preliminary review...WORTH EVERY PENNY....That's after I listened to the two new songs ( Good Godmother and Tomorrow was Today (wowwo wowowow)) and one orchestral piece ( Mime). What a jackpot of music for coming days and years. Thank you Ian, thank you Steve Wilson and thank you capitalism for making this possible. five stars, 10/10, instant classic at 1539 Elm ( aka Mulberry) Street in El Cerrito , CA.
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Post by stormmonkey on Nov 24, 2014 23:15:33 GMT
Hi all - haven't logged in here for quite some time. Hope everyone is well. Just ordered my 'Warchild' Theatre Edition set from Burning Shed. Can't wait to get it. I have a question for other Tull fans here...this unreleased track 'Good Godmother'...did anyone know this track existed? I mean, I'm sure many of us had heard poor quality bootlegs of 'Tomorrow Was Today' and other songs not officially released, but I certainly had never heard of this track before. Couldn't resist giving the mp3 sample on amazon a quick listen...but I didn't really pay attention and tuned out with my ears in a different direction as I'd rather wait until I get my boxset and listen and enjoy properly. Anyway...what I was thinking...remember when 'Nightcap' came out...Ian Anderson pretty much said there are no further unreleased songs...well, clearly not! I wonder...could other songs/alternate verses/alternate versions of songs pop up on further REMIX issues? An exciting thought when it comes to the REMIXES of 'Minstrel in the Gallery' and albums further on... What does anyone else think? Also...this 5.1 lark...I do have a 5.1 surround sound dvd player in the attic...from a few years back...I got rather fed up with having to muck about with 5 different speakers, lots of wires and a big subwoofer etc...etc... It all takes up quite a bit of space. Are these 5.1 remixes really worth the effort? I mean, remixed and enhanced stereo is good enough for me. You know, I've only got two ears. What do other people think about 5.1 remixes? Should I haul that system down from the attic and set it up? Just how good is the Tull 5.1 experience? Is it worth all the trouble?
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 25, 2014 9:03:35 GMT
Hi all - haven't logged in here for quite some time. Hope everyone is well. Just ordered my 'Warchild' Theatre Edition set from Burning Shed. Can't wait to get it. I have a question for other Tull fans here...this unreleased track 'Good Godmother'...did anyone know this track existed? I mean, I'm sure many of us had heard poor quality bootlegs of 'Tomorrow Was Today' and other songs not officially released, but I certainly had never heard of this track before. Couldn't resist giving the mp3 sample on amazon a quick listen...but I didn't really pay attention and tuned out with my ears in a different direction as I'd rather wait until I get my boxset and listen and enjoy properly. Anyway...what I was thinking...remember when 'Nightcap' came out...Ian Anderson pretty much said there are no further unreleased songs...well, clearly not! I wonder...could other songs/alternate verses/alternate versions of songs pop up on further REMIX issues? An exciting thought when it comes to the REMIXES of 'Minstrel in the Gallery' and albums further on... What does anyone else think? There are most likely a lot of "forgotten" takes of songs both known and unknown in the TullCentral tape library or in the old EMI vaults. One that springs to mind as I type is the alternate take of Solstice Bells remixed by Mike batt of Wombles fame which has never seen the light of day for example. So I'd expect there to be some more surprises in the future. There must be very many demos still around, with most unheard, and if IA and the other band members had there own tape copies made there's a very good chance that they could surface in the future. You'll have to ask TooTull about 5.1 as I don't have, and haven't the space for it so hopefully he'll advise you on this. I've heard so many pros and cons about 5.1 that, like many, confusion has set in about it but it does seem that if you get the right system and have professional help in setting it up it's a worthwhile investment
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 25, 2014 9:08:40 GMT
As Sandy Denny once sang "Who Knows Where The Time Goes"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 13:27:54 GMT
As Sandy Denny once sang "Who Knows Where The Time Goes" 2104 is on the APP set too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 13:49:29 GMT
Hi all - haven't logged in here for quite some time. Hope everyone is well. Just ordered my 'Warchild' Theatre Edition set from Burning Shed. Can't wait to get it. I have a question for other Tull fans here...this unreleased track 'Good Godmother'...did anyone know this track existed? I mean, I'm sure many of us had heard poor quality bootlegs of 'Tomorrow Was Today' and other songs not officially released, but I certainly had never heard of this track before. Couldn't resist giving the mp3 sample on amazon a quick listen...but I didn't really pay attention and tuned out with my ears in a different direction as I'd rather wait until I get my boxset and listen and enjoy properly. Anyway...what I was thinking...remember when 'Nightcap' came out...Ian Anderson pretty much said there are no further unreleased songs...well, clearly not! I wonder...could other songs/alternate verses/alternate versions of songs pop up on further REMIX issues? An exciting thought when it comes to the REMIXES of 'Minstrel in the Gallery' and albums further on... What does anyone else think? There are most likely a lot of "forgotten" takes of songs both known and unknown in the TullCentral tape library or in the old EMI vaults. One that springs to mind as I type is the alternate take of Solstice Bells remixed by Mike batt of Wombles fame which has never seen the light of day for example. So I'd expect there to be some more surprises in the future. There must be very many demos still around, with most unheard, and if IA and the other band members had there own tape copies made there's a very good chance that they could surface in the future. You'll have to ask TooTull about 5.1 as I don't have, and haven't the space for it so hopefully he'll advise you on this. I've heard so many pros and cons about 5.1 that, like many, confusion has set in about it but it does seem that if you get the right system and have professional help in setting it up it's a worthwhile investment #1 reason for getting a 5.1 set up = Tull sounds so good in 5.1. & quad. I've been into surround sound since the 1970's. Pink Floyd quad concerts helped with that. You either dig it or attack people like me on forums. Ha, ha. Here is a forum where surround sound fans get kicked around the most. forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/stereo-vs-5-1.396600/Surround sound is a religion, just keep your hands off that church echo button. I'll endorse this;>) AudiophilePhil said: If you prefer listening as an audience/spectator, stereo is the preferred mix. If you prefer listening as if you are one of the musicians in the recording, 5.1 is the preferred mix. Best post, MYKE said: I enjoy everything, from mono, to stereo, to quad, to 5.1, and 7.1. I enjoy a singular album being available in mono, stereo, and surround. I enjoy having all 3 in my collection, and having the choice, depending on my mood.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 16:41:40 GMT
From what I've read, Steven Wilson is influencing a lot of listeners to choose 5.1. His work is highly praised for the most part. HEY YOU, we all seem to start our surround sound experience with good old Pink Floyd. forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/stereo-vs-5-1.396600/page-4 I prefer Stereo almost all of the time (I'm not set-up for 5.1, but have heard it a few times). However, I visited a Forum friend who played the (2012 or so?) "Wish You Were Here" SACD in Surround and it was amazing! :bigeek: john lennonist, Today at 9:08 AM I had the prejudice that 5.1 was just a gimmick until I listened to the Dark Side of the Moon SACD and started to take it seriously. I don't have that many 5.1 releases, but Floyd's Dark Side and Wish You Were Here, King Crimson's 40th Anniversary series, and Grateful Dead's Sunshine Daydream bluray are among my favorite surround mixes. Rne, Today at 9:27 AM AND NOW>>> It was the Alan Parsons quadraphonic mix DSOTM that sold me on multichannel music, first the "internet version" leaked DVDA and then the bluray from the box set. himey, 14 minutes ago dpv2008 said: ↑ 5.1. mixes of King Crimson albums are awesome too. And the Jethro Tull's, mainly the Aqualung 5.1 bluray...himey, 12 minutes ago HOORAY for surround sound...I say
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Post by steelmonkey on Nov 25, 2014 17:10:05 GMT
I think there are tons of amazing things left in the vaults....tons...Ian just lied over the years when he told Ress/Webb 'That's it'....these big boy re-releases are going to continue to produce surprises equal to the new songs and wallop of orcehstral and alternate takes we got for War Child.......As long as the profit and energy remain feasible, the classic albums will continue to get full treatment and we can look forward to both predictable ( long versions of Requiem and Budapest) surprises and total surprises. Musicians record so so so much material and put it aside or don't think it's good enough etc etc...you can't tell me ian isn't sitting on goldmines upon goldmines of rejected material, alternate takes and sketches worth hearing.
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Post by onewhiteduck on Nov 25, 2014 18:02:09 GMT
Just had an e mail from my (older) brother reminding that 40 years ago today he was in the Capitol Theatre Cardiff ( long gone ) watching Jethro Tull. Just thought I'd share that with you. He wouldn't take me I was too young OWD
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Post by onewhiteduck on Nov 25, 2014 21:05:34 GMT
Tomorrow Was Today is stupendous on the new remix.
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Post by stormmonkey on Nov 26, 2014 0:00:54 GMT
There are most likely a lot of "forgotten" takes of songs both known and unknown in the TullCentral tape library or in the old EMI vaults. One that springs to mind as I type is the alternate take of Solstice Bells remixed by Mike batt of Wombles fame which has never seen the light of day for example. So I'd expect there to be some more surprises in the future. There must be very many demos still around, with most unheard, and if IA and the other band members had there own tape copies made there's a very good chance that they could surface in the future.
I didn't know there was an alternative recording of 'Solstice Bells'. Just so long as it doesn't feature any Wombles it would be great to hear that. haha. I quite like the theme tune to The Wombles actually...lovely clarinet. Very exciting to think what other stuff might surface in the future.
You'll have to ask TooTull about 5.1 as I don't have, and haven't the space for it so hopefully he'll advise you on this. I've heard so many pros and cons about 5.1 that, like many, confusion has set in about it but it does seem that if you get the right system and have professional help in setting it up it's a worthwhile investment
Yeah, I don't really have the space either...and I'm yet to be convinced that it would really be worth all the trouble. Count me in as one of the confused simpletons who is happy enough with a nice pair of speakers or headphones. Then again, I'm a luddite. Perhaps 5.1 is mind-blowing and wonderful... one day I might get round to setting it up again.
now...I hope I've done these "quote" things correctly...shouldn't be too difficult... (edit: and, of course, I didn't....went back and edited...think i got it right now...sort of....lol). (edit2, actually, I didn't, so I'll just put them into italics until my simpleton brain figures out how to do the quotes.
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Post by steelmonkey on Nov 26, 2014 0:07:57 GMT
'Tomorrow is Today' is stupendous...sorry if this has already been posted...what an effin' gem of a Tull song from peak era.
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Post by stormmonkey on Nov 26, 2014 0:19:31 GMT
#1 reason for getting a 5.1 set up = Tull sounds so good in 5.1. & quad. I've been into surround sound since the 1970's. Pink Floyd quad concerts helped with that. You either dig it or attack people like me on forums. Ha, ha.
- quoting tootull from 10 hours ago....that'll do...I'm crap at doing the quotes things...lol Good to hear you enjoy the 5.1 experience. Juzt not sure it's for me though. I certainly wouldn't attack anybody for their listening preference though! lol. funny about the snobby attitude on that forum from some purists...people take these things too seriously...if people like it, they like it, if not...then not. I guess the reason I brought the subject up is because I have some of these 5.1 mixes I haven't listened to yet and I was wondering if I'm missing out on an incredible listening experience. The bit about hearing the music like you are in the band appeals to me...I'd say about 60% of my IA/Tull I've been singing along, or playing flute or guitar anyway...would certainly make that more fun! And yeah, having the different listening options is certainly a good thing. We really are spoiled these days.
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Post by stormmonkey on Nov 26, 2014 0:34:45 GMT
I think there are tons of amazing things left in the vaults....tons...Ian just lied over the years when he told Ress/Webb 'That's it'....these big boy re-releases are going to continue to produce surprises equal to the new songs and wallop of orchestral and alternate takes we got for War Child.......As long as the profit and energy remain feasible, the classic albums will continue to get full treatment and we can look forward to both predictable ( long versions of Requiem and Budapest) surprises and total surprises. Musicians record so so so much material and put it aside or don't think it's good enough etc etc...you can't tell me ian isn't sitting on goldmines upon goldmines of rejected material, alternate takes and sketches worth hearing. Great post steelmonkey! Let me join you in your spirit of enthusiasm about further surprises to come! IA is such a perfectionist...I think he exercises very high standards of quality control...what would be "not good" to him would probably be pure gold! I bet there are tons of things sitting in the archives just waiting to be heard. Perhaps even just basic ideas that never came to fruition...though I doubt we'd ever get to hear those...then again...who knows? But yeah, things like longer versions of 'Requiem' and all 20 minutes of 'Budapest' would be amazing to hear! So 'Minstrel in the Gallery' should be next... exciting stuff to look forward to! Actually, I once dreamed an entire unheard of Jethro Tull album - it was amazing. Heard the whole thing in my mind...amazing flute riffs, powerful songs and lyrics...pity the technology didn't exist to plug something into my auditory cortex and share it with other fans...then again, I probably just dreamed that I dreamed that album in the five minutes before waking...hahaha Just saw your post about 'Tomorrow was Today' - cannot wait to hear it. I'm hoping my Warchild arrives before the end of the week. It's gonna be a real treat!
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 26, 2014 9:45:15 GMT
There are most likely a lot of "forgotten" takes of songs both known and unknown in the TullCentral tape library or in the old EMI vaults. One that springs to mind as I type is the alternate take of Solstice Bells remixed by Mike batt of Wombles fame which has never seen the light of day for example. So I'd expect there to be some more surprises in the future. There must be very many demos still around, with most unheard, and if IA and the other band members had there own tape copies made there's a very good chance that they could surface in the future.
I didn't know there was an alternative recording of 'Solstice Bells'. Just so long as it doesn't feature any Wombles it would be great to hear that. haha. I quite like the theme tune to The Wombles actually...lovely clarinet. Very exciting to think what other stuff might surface in the future. You'll have to ask TooTull about 5.1 as I don't have, and haven't the space for it so hopefully he'll advise you on this. I've heard so many pros and cons about 5.1 that, like many, confusion has set in about it but it does seem that if you get the right system and have professional help in setting it up it's a worthwhile investmentYeah, I don't really have the space either...and I'm yet to be convinced that it would really be worth all the trouble. Count me in as one of the confused simpletons who is happy enough with a nice pair of speakers or headphones. Then again, I'm a luddite. Perhaps 5.1 is mind-blowing and wonderful... one day I might get round to setting it up again. now...I hope I've done these "quote" things correctly...shouldn't be too difficult... (edit: and, of course, I didn't....went back and edited...think i got it right now...sort of....lol). (edit2, actually, I didn't, so I'll just put them into italics until my simpleton brain figures out how to do the quotes. I can vouch that at one time, around 1991, there was so much stuff in store at Kenny Wylie's Radnage office that I very much doubt if anyone had ever catalogued it. I went there at Kenny's invitation to collect a signed Doane Perry bass drum skin which was one of the auction pieces at the 1991 UK Convention and my recollection is that the store room was filled with items and goodies - it would have needed a month of Sundays to sort through it. There was also a lot of interesting items at the Chrysalis HQ at Bramley Road in London around 1993 as I worked a couple of shifts there - you wouldn't believe the amount of stuff collecting dust in the despatch area and in offices. Would have been an experience to go through it all but alas I couldn't being the honest person I am Abbey Road was the same. As for quotes - type quote in square brackets before the text you want to highlight and /quote also in square brackets after it and Bob's your uncle it's done. Apologies if Bob is your uncle.
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 27, 2014 15:28:51 GMT
I presume you are credited for working on this, if so, congratulations to you and everyone else, it is a marvellous piece of work. All credit to you and all the others listed for doing a great job in bringing Tull back to the fans, the photographs are fantastic as is the text and well, the sounds are just amazing! Apart from TooTull's involvement we've had nothing to do with the production of the WarChild remix edition. TT's done a great job and all credit on that score is with him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 16:38:08 GMT
For those that care; WarChild 40th has CD text. Track listing.
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Post by bunkerfan on Nov 27, 2014 19:54:20 GMT
Hey Bernie, I've moved up to the top two... thanks. Congratulations on your acknowledgement on the CD tootull.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 20:08:02 GMT
Hey Bernie, I've moved up to the top two... thanks. Congratulations on your acknowledgement on the CD tootull. Thanks John, appreciated. It was really easy obeying the restraining order, I'm just thankful I was thanked for obeying...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 20:13:08 GMT
The groove of Tomorrow Was Today really sinks in after repeated plays. I want to repeat this often.
I'm hooked on the quad versions. The flat transfer of the quad and the original stereo flat transfer are a delight for me.
Unbelievable that there is even more to listen to in 5.1. Oh Glory Row - Glorious in stereo, quad, & 5.1. WOW is not enough
Thankful to be truly Tull blessed.
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Post by stormmonkey on Dec 3, 2014 13:42:15 GMT
My 'Warchild' The 40th Anniversary Theatre Edition arrived yesterday. Yay! I love it. Absolutely brilliant boxset. So much to discover...really thinking I should haul that 5.1 system down from the attic and give it a go. It's amazing to hear these new tracks...so much to discover yet...Good Godmother is alright...but I much prefer Tomorrow was Today. Oooh...new little nuances and things you can hear on the songs...extra electric guitar on the end of 'Glory Row' - always loved that song. Excellent book too with LOTS of words and pictures! The whole product is perfectly done. A real treasure. A real treat. Haven't had time yet to soak up all the lovely orchestral songs. Soon though. Overall, I think 'Warchild' is a very bright and happy record... perhaps? 'Queen and Country' has always been a favourite. A very strong vocal performance from Ian on that tune. He really pushed himself to the absolute top of his range at the time. The only part of the 'Warchild' book I have read yet are the words Ian has written about the songs. His words about it being a shame that he didn't bring the 'Queen and Country' lyrical content into the modern world are interesting to me...I really enjoy on 'Homo Erraticus' his consideraton of time (no, not metrically this time) but in terms of history. He does this both musically and lyrically on 'Homo Erraticus'. Let's face it...we don't hear a lot of this in songwriting...most songs are reflective and fixed within a certain time period, or are very much set in the here and now. The opening riff played on 'Doggerland' appears twice again on the album (Meliora Sequamur and The Browning Of The Green) to powerful effect, particularly in the latter song. That opening riff, to me, stands as a statement and a reminder of something very fundamental about the human condition. Spanning across time and different eras of human civilisation... Must say, I've always been very partial to Sealion II. Really madcap fun song. 'March, the Mad Scientist' - beautiful mix - the definitive mix on this gem. Cool Montreux footage with entertaining commentary from Ian. Hahahaa.....the clothes...particularly John Evans rainbow jacket. I didn't know such long cigarette holders even existed. So Ian owned a 16mm camera...didn't know that...I wonder if there is any other cool footage in the archives for further boxsets? Maybe they have some footage of the band in the studio or something? Goodness knows what other little gems, forgotten-abouts and other things might pop up on further remixes to come. Really looking forward to 'Minstrel in the Gallery' now. Oh, also... I recently purchased a Kindle copy of A Passion Play - The Story of Jethro Tull and Ian Anderson by Brian Rabey. Almost finished reading it...definitely the best book on Jethro Tull/Ian Anderson I have ever read. Hurrah! Oh...I'm a bit of a simpleton...(sometimes)....can someone tell me how we are supposed to listen to the Quad versions on 'Warchild' ? Are they supposed to be played through the 5.1 machinery too?
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Post by steelmonkey on Dec 3, 2014 16:17:15 GMT
Am I dreaming or is that key H.E. riff,,,the one in Doggerland, Meliora and Browning....lifted from 'Tea With Princess'? It was really too good to toss out and I had hoped 'Tea' would get full attention and take it's place as almost as good as Change of Horses...but I'm glad the riff got bult into other songs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 17:23:57 GMT
My 'Warchild' The 40th Anniversary Theatre Edition arrived yesterday. Yay! I love it. Absolutely brilliant boxset. So much to discover...really thinking I should haul that 5.1 system down from the attic and give it a go. It's amazing to hear these new tracks...so much to discover yet...Good Godmother is alright...but I much prefer Tomorrow was Today. Oooh...new little nuances and things you can hear on the songs...extra electric guitar on the end of 'Glory Row' - always loved that song. Excellent book too with LOTS of words and pictures! The whole product is perfectly done. A real treasure. A real treat. Haven't had time yet to soak up all the lovely orchestral songs. Soon though. Overall, I think 'Warchild' is a very bright and happy record... perhaps? 'Queen and Country' has always been a favourite. A very strong vocal performance from Ian on that tune. He really pushed himself to the absolute top of his range at the time. The only part of the 'Warchild' book I have read yet are the words Ian has written about the songs. His words about it being a shame that he didn't bring the 'Queen and Country' lyrical content into the modern world are interesting to me...I really enjoy on 'Homo Erraticus' his consideraton of time (no, not metrically this time) but in terms of history. He does this both musically and lyrically on 'Homo Erraticus'. Let's face it...we don't hear a lot of this in songwriting...most songs are reflective and fixed within a certain time period, or are very much set in the here and now. The opening riff played on 'Doggerland' appears twice again on the album (Meliora Sequamur and The Browning Of The Green) to powerful effect, particularly in the latter song. That opening riff, to me, stands as a statement and a reminder of something very fundamental about the human condition. Spanning across time and different eras of human civilisation... Must say, I've always been very partial to Sealion II. Really madcap fun song. 'March, the Mad Scientist' - beautiful mix - the definitive mix on this gem. Cool Montreux footage with entertaining commentary from Ian. Hahahaa.....the clothes...particularly John Evans rainbow jacket. I didn't know such long cigarette holders even existed. So Ian owned a 16mm camera...didn't know that...I wonder if there is any other cool footage in the archives for further boxsets? Maybe they have some footage of the band in the studio or something? Goodness knows what other little gems, forgotten-abouts and other things might pop up on further remixes to come. Really looking forward to 'Minstrel in the Gallery' now. Oh, also... I recently purchased a Kindle copy of A Passion Play - The Story of Jethro Tull and Ian Anderson by Brian Rabey. Almost finished reading it...definitely the best book on Jethro Tull/Ian Anderson I have ever read. Hurrah! Oh...I'm a bit of a simpleton...(sometimes)....can someone tell me how we are supposed to listen to the Quad versions on 'Warchild' ? Are they supposed to be played through the 5.1 machinery too? Yes, just like stereo 2.0 you can play quad 4.0 through a 5.1 system. I use a Harman Kardon/Infinity/JBL 7.1 system & another Harman Kardon JBL 5.1 system and a Yamaha/JBL 5.1 for that matter.
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