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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 3, 2014 20:38:17 GMT
An Album Cover....a Countdown: 70 days till H.E. is here !!!!!
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 3, 2014 20:40:01 GMT
H. E. is wearing a bicycle messenger bag...it's a sign from Ian to ME.
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Post by steelmonkey on Feb 3, 2014 20:40:34 GMT
Okay...I'm getting hysterical...still
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Post by Tull50 on Feb 3, 2014 21:14:13 GMT
Congratulations Equus!, seems that this is the 1st cover image
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Post by Equus on Feb 3, 2014 21:14:45 GMT
An Album Cover....a Countdown: 70 days till H.E. is here !!!!! ... and counting...
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Post by Equus on Feb 3, 2014 21:25:26 GMT
Congratulations Equus!, seems that this is the 1st cover image Yes it seems to be the real thing! And to me, it looks like an Ian Anderson cover idea... It looks great! Jethro Tull forever!
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Post by Tull50 on Feb 3, 2014 21:46:31 GMT
On second thought, does not seem right that this album is presented as a Ian's solo album, is clearly this is a work of a band. So if all Jethro Tull albums have been written by Ian, we rename all albums?
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Post by Equus on Feb 3, 2014 21:54:03 GMT
On second thought, does not seem right that this album is presented as a Ian's solo album, is clearly this is a work of a band. So if all Jethro Tull albums have been written by Ian, we rename all albums? I find it confusing with all these names... Jethro Tull, or Jethro Tull's Ian Anderson, or simply Ian Anderson... but who is hiding underneath the mask...?
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Post by Tull50 on Feb 3, 2014 22:14:51 GMT
On second thought, does not seem right that this album is presented as a Ian's solo album, is clearly this is a work of a band. So if all Jethro Tull albums have been written by Ian, we rename all albums? I find it confusing with all these names... Jethro Tull, or Jethro Tull's Ian Anderson, or simply Ian Anderson... but who is hiding underneath the mask...? Of course for me has always been Jethro Tull or what is the same...Jethro Tull's Ian Anderson Jethro Tull = musical ideas of Ian Anderson
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Post by tullist on Feb 3, 2014 22:49:39 GMT
I find it confusing with all these names... Jethro Tull, or Jethro Tull's Ian Anderson, or simply Ian Anderson... but who is hiding underneath the mask...? Of course for me has always been Jethro Tull or what is the same...Jethro Tull's Ian Anderson Jethro Tull = musical ideas of Ian Anderson To my mind so little, if indeed anything in this world truly matters, but I do believe honor is one of the few that do. And one of several endearing traits of IA is being a man of his word, to my experience anyway. And he did say no Martin Barre, no Jethro Tull. And I believe that to be fitting respect to the man who stood on his left between 1969 and 2011. As to band names, very much a rock and roll thing, and IA's case I believe a wider net is cast. I mean what did Art Blakey call his band? Or Duke Ellington? Or Miles Davis. In a sense Tull was ALWAYS Ian Anderson, with maybe a little too much credit given to the seventies band. For instance the notion that Barrie Barlow was inarguably the greatest drummer in Tulls history is laughable to me. (I am not at all certain that they best may not have been that obscure guy who slipped thru here a few years ago, Mark Mondesir, or Dave Mattacks for that matter. And Doane is certainly in Barrie's ballpark, along with Jon Noyce, likely the most undervalued of all Tull performers. Certainly Barrie's drum solo's, if taken out of the context of a Tull show, could have easily been at a Kiss show. Especially the later ones where like, stuff exploded or whatever. Gimmick $h1t. Stuff Art Blakey, Max Roach did not need. Of course half the people in Tull's audience, the rock and roll yahoos, you had to keep up with the Jones I suppose. I know another fantastically over rated drummer, Carl Palmer, pulled similar $h1t.
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Post by futureshock on Feb 3, 2014 23:00:40 GMT
The album cover image makes me think of Wordsworth, Coleridge, Rousseau and Paine, walking all over Europe (and the new America) during times of upheaval and war, post-war and all that abrupt social and personal trauma and of course then spewing out their magnificent thoughts. To each his own way.
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Post by futureshock on Feb 4, 2014 0:22:17 GMT
We've seen album cover options before and then alternates used at release day, so I'm betting $0.04 that this is only 40% likely to be the final album cover used. What say, folks? Thoughts? Convinced already?
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Post by tullist on Feb 4, 2014 0:29:57 GMT
We've seen album cover options before and then alternates used at release day, so I'm betting $0.04 that this is only 40% likely to be the final album cover used. What say, folks? Thoughts? Convinced already? to the extent i care to be, yes convinced. on the simple logic that i can think of no other instance, as we enter the 47th year of recorded output from this man, where a sudden change in album cover was deemed appropriate. the closest i can think of is a reverse case, where john lennon learned of the newspaper aspect of taab only after he had released a real stinker, sometime in new york city, a little bit later. like maddy prior told me nearly twenty years ago, "that man knows exactly what he wants."
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Post by tullist on Feb 4, 2014 0:32:06 GMT
The album cover image makes me think of Wordsworth, Coleridge, Rousseau and Paine, walking all over Europe (and the new America) during times of upheaval and war, post-war and all that abrupt social and personal trauma and of course then spewing out their magnificent thoughts. To each his own way. Coleridge and Wordsworth walked around America? news to me. Now we did have guys names John Muir, Neal Casady, Jack Kerouac who did stuff like that. And wrote notable accounts.
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Post by futureshock on Feb 4, 2014 0:43:20 GMT
The album cover image makes me think of Wordsworth, Coleridge, Rousseau and Paine, walking all over Europe (and the new America) during times of upheaval and war, post-war and all that abrupt social and personal trauma and of course then spewing out their magnificent thoughts. To each his own way. Coleridge and Wordsworth walked around America? news to me. Now we did have guys names John Muir, Neal Casady, Jack Kerouac who did stuff like that. And wrote notable accounts. Oh, most likely from that bunch only Paine got over to the land of Mark Twain. Yep, certainly the US parallels would be Muir, Thoreau, Twain, London, Kerouac and hordes more. Jefferson! The frontiers of what could be..........
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Post by JTull 007 on Feb 4, 2014 2:06:56 GMT
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Post by billw on Feb 4, 2014 2:53:50 GMT
Hi, all. That is a great cover and hope it is the actual one! I, too, am a little confused as to why this is not called "Jethro Tull's Ian Anderson" as TAAB2 was called. After all, it seems to follow the exact format (basically) of the last album, the exact same band on the record,/ and the whole album/tour with "theatrics" and film, etc. Whatever. Looking forward to it!
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Post by billw on Feb 4, 2014 3:03:48 GMT
I wish, tho (my own personal view when I await a new album from someone I like)... that Ian didn't always give a detailed description and explanation of every thing that's going to be on a forthcoming album. He did that with TAAB2 as well. Kind of takes away some of the excitement for me when he has to "explain" the album thoroughly before it's even out. I'd much rather be excitedly intrigued by the great, unusual title , "HOMO ERATICUS", and wonder 'Hmmm, wonder where Ian's going with this one. I can't wait!" rather than by getting a whole explanation well beforehand. Also, he does show us that he's basically going in the same direction of TAAB 2, in a way.
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Post by rainbowblue on Feb 4, 2014 3:14:00 GMT
Of course for me has always been Jethro Tull or what is the same...Jethro Tull's Ian Anderson Jethro Tull = musical ideas of Ian Anderson To my mind so little, if indeed anything in this world truly matters, but I do believe honor is one of the few that do. And one of several endearing traits of IA is being a man of his word, to my experience anyway. And he did say no Martin Barre, no Jethro Tull. And I believe that to be fitting respect to the man who stood on his left between 1969 and 2011. As to band names, very much a rock and roll thing, and IA's case I believe a wider net is cast. I mean what did Art Blakey call his band? Or Duke Ellington? Or Miles Davis. In a sense Tull was ALWAYS Ian Anderson, with maybe a little too much credit given to the seventies band. For instance the notion that Barrie Barlow was inarguably the greatest drummer in Tulls history is laughable to me. (I am not at all certain that they best may not have been that obscure guy who slipped thru here a few years ago, Mark Mondesir, or Dave Mattacks for that matter. And Doane is certainly in Barrie's ballpark, along with Jon Noyce, likely the most undervalued of all Tull performers. Certainly Barrie's drum solo's, if taken out of the context of a Tull show, could have easily been at a Kiss show. Especially the later ones where like, stuff exploded or whatever. Gimmick $h1t. Stuff Art Blakey, Max Roach did not need. Of course half the people in Tull's audience, the rock and roll yahoos, you had to keep up with the Jones I suppose. I know another fantastically over rated drummer, Carl Palmer, pulled similar $h1t. I think IA is as much Tull as Tull is IA. I also believe the albums from the 70`s lineup was more a group effort than later albums. I don`t think they get enough credit. For me, Rock Island was the last "group" sounding album. But, that`s just my opinion. However, you got the hairs on the back of my neck up with your Barrie Barlow comment. If it`s laughable that Barrie is perceived to be the best Tull drummer, then start laughing. His drumming style, which IA later called "too busy" fit perfectly with the music of Tull. Look no further then Barrie`s successor Mark Craney. Listen to the difference in the drum solo`s from Stormwatch to "A". Finally, watching Barrie perform, I don`t ever remember anything exploding. To compare anything Tull with KISS is rather insulting. I always rated Carl Palmer #2 behind Barrie on my all time drummers list. The difference for me between Tull and ELP, the complete Tull album goes in to my MP3 player while I pick and choose which ELP songs goes in. That`s because a lot of ELP music is just a Keith Emerson or Carl Palmer showcase.
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Post by billw on Feb 4, 2014 3:16:38 GMT
Also, someone earlier said he or she feels that the 1970's line-up is given too much credit as being "Tull" when Tull was really Ian.
With all due respect, I couldn't disagree more. To hear those exquisite albums and. even more so, hear the concerts of that decade, the entire "BAND" that was Tull : Barre, Evan, Barlow, Hammond/Glasscock, and Palmer made it great as a cohesive unit. Too much credit? Not to me. Especially when non-Tull fans definitely knew of Ian but wouldn't be able to name one other member. They got too LITTLE credit, if you ask moi.
And calling peoples' assessment of Barriemore Barlow as possibly Tull's best drummer "laughable"?! What?!
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Post by tullist on Feb 4, 2014 4:19:39 GMT
Also, someone earlier said he or she feels that the 1970's line-up is given too much credit as being "Tull" when Tull was really Ian. With all due respect, I couldn't disagree more. To hear those exquisite albums and. even more so, hear the concerts of that decade, the entire "BAND" that was Tull : Barre, Evan, Barlow, Hammond/Glasscock, and Palmer made it great as a cohesive unit. Too much credit? Not to me. Especially when non-Tull fans definitely knew of Ian but wouldn't be able to name one other member. They got too LITTLE credit, if you ask moi. And calling peoples' assessment of Barriemore Barlow as possibly Tull's best drummer "laughable"?! What?! Yeah. That someone was me. Ray. And let me state that again. LAUGHABLE. What he was was the drummer in the period that holds creedence to most of Tull's audience, usually that part of the audience that finds resonance with the likes of ELP,Rush,Genesis, maybe the Moody Blues et al. Just what was that in Barrie's methods that is the superior of say... Mark Mondesir? Or Dave Mattacks? Or Doane Perry? or Clive? So if I did not make it perfectly clear the first time, that assessment is LAUGHABLE, if widely held, as that was the only truly popular era of Tull. We are not talking Jack Dejohnnette here. Or even Ginger Baker. What Barrie was, dating to a shared humor from having grown up with Ian, was a stage presence, with the rest of those Blackpool guys, that was hard to reproduce. But by the same argument, where is the respect for the other guys who have been in the band down the years. To a one, not one, including Martin Barre, were profound enough operators that they would have made much of a dent without having been in Ian Anderson's band. Not an argument there. That's a fact. Having said all that, cannot give particularly high marks to Peter Vittese, no fault of his own, but those gizmotron keyboards, including the one that looks like a rock star guitar, yecch, reeks of the 80's, and the sound of those things in rock and roll application is a cursed thing, mostly. People can wax nostalgic about Under Wraps or the first solo record, but what they are are the weakest offerings in the catalogue, band and solo respectively. Useless? Hardly, its Ian Anderson. Looking for Eden...gold stars. UW2, gold star again. But in the main not a good avenue. But there again, I consider Passion Play, War Child and Minstrel to be, respectively, the most over rated in the canon. So it is one man's opinion, and a considered one, and I stand by it.
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Post by rainbowblue on Feb 4, 2014 6:08:19 GMT
Also, someone earlier said he or she feels that the 1970's line-up is given too much credit as being "Tull" when Tull was really Ian. With all due respect, I couldn't disagree more. To hear those exquisite albums and. even more so, hear the concerts of that decade, the entire "BAND" that was Tull : Barre, Evan, Barlow, Hammond/Glasscock, and Palmer made it great as a cohesive unit. Too much credit? Not to me. Especially when non-Tull fans definitely knew of Ian but wouldn't be able to name one other member. They got too LITTLE credit, if you ask moi. And calling peoples' assessment of Barriemore Barlow as possibly Tull's best drummer "laughable"?! What?! Yeah. That someone was me. Ray. And let me state that again. LAUGHABLE. What he was was the drummer in the period that holds creedence to most of Tull's audience, usually that part of the audience that finds resonance with the likes of ELP,Rush,Genesis, maybe the Moody Blues et al. Just what was that in Barrie's methods that is the superior of say... Mark Mondesir? Or Dave Mattacks? Or Doane Perry? or Clive? So if I did not make it perfectly clear the first time, that assessment is LAUGHABLE, if widely held, as that was the only truly popular era of Tull. We are not talking Jack Dejohnnette here. Or even Ginger Baker. What Barrie was, dating to a shared humor from having grown up with Ian, was a stage presence, with the rest of those Blackpool guys, that was hard to reproduce. But by the same argument, where is the respect for the other guys who have been in the band down the years. To a one, not one, including Martin Barre, were profound enough operators that they would have made much of a dent without having been in Ian Anderson's band. Not an argument there. That's a fact. Having said all that, cannot give particularly high marks to Peter Vittese, no fault of his own, but those gizmotron keyboards, including the one that looks like a rock star guitar, yecch, reeks of the 80's, and the sound of those things in rock and roll application is a cursed thing, mostly. People can wax nostalgic about Under Wraps or the first solo record, but what they are are the weakest offerings in the catalogue, band and solo respectively. Useless? Hardly, its Ian Anderson. Looking for Eden...gold stars. UW2, gold star again. But in the main not a good avenue. But there again, I consider Passion Play, War Child and Minstrel to be, respectively, the most over rated in the canon. So it is one man's opinion, and a considered one, and I stand by it. I think it`s just his opinion, one that I echo. It`s not a line in the sand. Again, to me Barrie`s "busy" style was a perfect foil to IA`s lyrics. I think he was much more than IA childhood chum. To me, Jeffery and John Evan had more of a stage presents than Barrie. But together they all made Tull what they were, both in the studio and on stage. If you believe APP, Warchild and Minstrel are over rated, I can understand why you don`t embrace that era. It happens to be my favorite. If nothing else, it introduced me to lyrics that did not center around sex, drugs or sappy love songs. Though Tull will always be the straw that stirs the musical drink, I followed groups like Yes, ELP etc. But where I jumped ship at 90210 and Love Beach, Tull continued to produce quality music beyond Minstrel. And IA, Tull, whatever you want to call them, seem to be in a resurgence. And I`m going along for the ride.
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Post by Equus on Feb 4, 2014 6:26:02 GMT
We've seen album cover options before and then alternates used at release day, so I'm betting $0.04 that this is only 40% likely to be the final album cover used. What say, folks? Thoughts? Convinced already? ...That would be a future shock indeed! lol... but you may also be right... The cover looks like some kind of future ragnarok?
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Post by nonrabbit on Feb 4, 2014 6:53:29 GMT
I Love It even although on first glance it looks like the Creeper's (Jeepers Creepers) English cousin on vacation. i61.images obliterated by tinypic/2qdbc7p.jpg[/IMG]
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Post by nonrabbit on Feb 4, 2014 6:56:59 GMT
I wish, tho (my own personal view when I await a new album from someone I like)... that Ian didn't always give a detailed description and explanation of every thing that's going to be on a forthcoming album. He did that with TAAB2 as well. Kind of takes away some of the excitement for me when he has to "explain" the album thoroughly before it's even out. I'd much rather be excitedly intrigued by the great, unusual title , "HOMO ERATICUS", and wonder 'Hmmm, wonder where Ian's going with this one. I can't wait!" rather than by getting a whole explanation well beforehand. Also, he does show us that he's basically going in the same direction of TAAB 2, in a way. I agree although I suspect the publicist boys and girls have a hand in this.
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Post by billw on Feb 4, 2014 7:39:41 GMT
Hi, nonrabbit. Maybe ur right but I read the whole synopsis of the album on the jtull.com site and it said. "I.A." at the end. But, no big deal. It'll probably be great no matter what! lol
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Post by stormmonkey on Feb 4, 2014 10:06:10 GMT
Thanks for sharing the links nonrabbit. That first picture with flute, bit of an Elvis lip moment going on there. Excellent album cover. I like a lot. What is that pitchfork kind of thing? And what is that hanging from it? Hope we get a tracklist soon - can't wait to hear the song titles. Yeah, samples would be nice but I think I'd rather just wait to buy the album and hear it all as a complete piece. Of course, if samples go up it will be too tempting not to listen...
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 4, 2014 10:08:12 GMT
We've seen album cover options before and then alternates used at release day, so I'm betting $0.04 that this is only 40% likely to be the final album cover used. What say, folks? Thoughts? Convinced already? It certainly has the look and "feel" of the finished article and I would have thought that given the time scale with pressing up the cds and the distribution of the release, any possible changes will be minor. We wait and see. It will be interesting to know if there will be a vinyl pressing of the album at some later stage, perhaps for 2014's Record Store Day, or even a single release at some time. Tell you what, if we still had a plentiful amount of record shops in existence it would have looked great displayed behind the counter.
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Post by chea on Feb 4, 2014 10:14:14 GMT
I am quite puzzled as it appears on the cover of the new album. After all, Ian has always had a taste in the choice of appropriate covers, both as Jethro Tull and as a solo work. Maybe. from the texts of the songs I'll find 'a link between these, of course, and the figure of the Album.
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 4, 2014 12:38:41 GMT
Promo image from the official site - all looking a bit serious
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