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Post by futureshock on Jul 5, 2013 23:51:04 GMT
Tull sounds like Tull, but always? Are there any Jethro Tull songs that to your mind sound like they could have originated with OTHER bands? Name the song and the band you're reminded of in each case.
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Post by futureshock on Jul 5, 2013 23:57:39 GMT
Move On Alone - The Who
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 6, 2013 2:09:49 GMT
The obvious: Budapest or Said she was a Dancer: Dire Straits....Steel Monkey or Rattlesnake Trail: ZZ Top 1/3 of SFTW: Now we are six era Steeleye Span. I don't wanna be me-Elvis Costello
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Post by tullist on Jul 6, 2013 3:32:40 GMT
Tull sounds like Tull, but always? Are there any Jethro Tull songs that to your mind sound like they could have originated with OTHER bands? Name the song and the band you're reminded of in each case. Frankly, nobody. And not just because of their status in my perception as the most unique artist in popular music, a mantle that would likely be more readily given to Frank Zappa or Captain Beefheart because of Tull's lack of hip factor, to where its embarrassing apparently to even give them that acknowledgement, might sound too precariously close to respect. Long have I heard the Dire Straits comparison, which I find to be galling. In large part to be sure for my own lack of respect for Dire Straits. Don't dislike them exactly, more a case of really, all this is about THAT? Or ZZ Top. Certainly an enormous fan of the music that influenced them, and am also aware of speculation that Jimi Hendrix found one of them to be of ace caliber, and apparently felt the same about Terry Kath of Chicago, at least I think that was his name, I believe he shot himself in the head, I forget if it was intentional or not. Have a measure of respect of a sort for someone who could actually do that, assuming neither intoxicants or mental illness other than extreme sorrow were involved. You would certainly have to mean it but I seriously digress. I do recall in A New Day back around 88 someone mentioning that the guitarist who's name my aging brain cannot find at the moment went into a shop asking for a guitar with a tone like that of Martin Barre so who was influencing who? As to the vocal similarities of, Mark Knopfler is his name all I can say is that people who buy that notion, particularly Tullies, after all these years really do not know Ian Anderson at all. I will bet Ian had a knowledge of them roughly equivalent to mine, a mere speck in my musical consciousness. I can think of one specific example in jazz music, and several nearly's, especially in the case of John Coltrane, but there is a guy named Wallace Roney, utterly brilliant trumpet player, who Miles Davis used to play parts he could no longer reach about 3 months before his death, when he finally returned to play the music he loved best wheich he never ever had done before, re revisit his past, in the concert he did at Montreux in 91. I say this with a depth of respect for Wallace Roney but literally a Miles Davis clone, particularly of his mid sixties sound.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 6, 2013 8:45:50 GMT
Agree with all the points raised so far. I'm here today because Tull sounded like no other band in a time when there was a plethora of unique sounds yet they still had the edge. Maybe the only time they might have had similarity with another band would have been at the very start when they were playing Blues but having said that I don't know enough about Blues to say who.
I've long since mentioned my sabbatical from the band, one of the first "new" albums I listened to was Crest maybe not necessarily a good idea for someone who thought of Tull pre Crest - it was a bit of a shock and yes the first thought was the vocals were Knoplfer-like and I still see the similarity however I now think Budapest is a stunning song and Tullish enough to stand miles away from Dire Straits. Said She Was a Dancer not so much. Crest is still growing on me and like those Tull albums/songs that do that with people, it will probably end up as one of my favourites.
Good thread Futureshock - have to put thinking cap on for any other similarities.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 6, 2013 15:07:45 GMT
Black satin Dancer has some Zepplinesque instrumental parts, The Stranglers could do 'No Step', Black Sabbath could cover 'Left Right'...I know I'm answering backwards...just looking for teeny, stylistic similarities...No one can touch Tull and I know the Dire Straits and ZZ Top comparisions are cheesy but I do hear them...I like Knopfler...who freely admits he has been influenced by Barre and Thompson. I like the idea of this thread and will spit up more of my random, technically uninformed associations. For a really random one....I don't know why and how...it makes no sense at all...but in about 1972 I had this notion that Tull could do 'Gimme Shelter'.
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Post by tullist on Jul 6, 2013 18:13:41 GMT
Tull sounds like Tull, but always? Are there any Jethro Tull songs that to your mind sound like they could have originated with OTHER bands? Name the song and the band you're reminded of in each case. Frankly, nobody. And not just because of their status in my perception as the most unique artist in popular music, a mantle that would likely be more readily given to Frank Zappa or Captain Beefheart because of Tull's lack of hip factor, to where its embarrassing apparently to even give them that acknowledgement, might sound too precariously close to respect. Long have I heard the Dire Straits comparison, which I find to be galling. In large part to be sure for my own lack of respect for Dire Straits. Don't dislike them exactly, more a case of really, all this is about THAT? Or ZZ Top. Certainly an enormous fan of the music that influenced them, and am also aware of speculation that Jimi Hendrix found one of them to be of ace caliber, and apparently felt the same about Terry Kath of Chicago, at least I think that was his name, I believe he shot himself in the head, I forget if it was intentional or not. Have a measure of respect of a sort for someone who could actually do that, assuming neither intoxicants or mental illness other than extreme sorrow were involved. You would certainly have to mean it but I seriously digress. I do recall in A New Day back around 88 someone mentioning that the guitarist who's name my aging brain cannot find at the moment went into a shop asking for a guitar with a tone like that of Martin Barre so who was influencing who? As to the vocal similarities of, Mark Knopfler is his name all I can say is that people who buy that notion, particularly Tullies, after all these years really do not know Ian Anderson at all. I will bet Ian had a knowledge of them roughly equivalent to mine, a mere speck in my musical consciousness. I can think of one specific example in jazz music, and several nearly's, especially in the case of John Coltrane, but there is a guy named Wallace Roney, utterly brilliant trumpet player, who Miles Davis used to play parts he could no longer reach about 3 months before his death, when he finally returned to play the music he loved best wheich he never ever had done before, re revisit his past, in the concert he did at Montreux in 91. I say this with a depth of respect for Wallace Roney but literally a Miles Davis clone, particularly of his mid sixties sound. Another notion as regards Ian Anderson's alleged influence from Mark Knopfler's vocal stylings is most normally an assessment of people who's musical vista's rarely extend much beyond the very wide umbrella of rock music. I do know Ian's early influence's rarely ventured far into rock and roll but did venture to a man who was using that sort of talking voice delivery some decades before Mark bloody Knopfler. Mose Allison. Not that some of what Ian apparently finds to be musical meat is not eyebrow raising, at least to me, who is of course the only person I can afford to care about. In one of those greatest albums or somesuch, hem horrendously makes room for both Meat f**king Loaf and whoever the clown is in TOTO or Foreigner. I care not a bit whether the dude has a great rock and roll voice, he delivers sound of ZERO musical or spiritual sustenance. Additionally Ian has long dismissed Paul McCartney which I gave him a bit of rope on, making the all too common choice of John Lennon, which I agree is unassailable, but giving the nod to those 2 nobodies shows he simply does not get why Paul McCartney is worth every bit of credit he has been given, and manages to be a swell guy. Show me a punk band that ever has dealt the goods like Helter Skelter, O Darling or many of those earlier rockers sung by Paul. Also things like Mother Nature's Son or even Yesterday are nothing Paul should apologize for, basically his forte but one of several, and they are damn nearly perfect. Basically Ian does not get the Beatles and omg did he miss out, ditto clowns who mark their early work as a boy band. I am not that difficult to please but those choices are totally beyond the pale and a rank embarrassment. And anyone who thinks I would not say same to the vaunted headmaster's face does not know me very well. Still think Ian needs to be dosed and set down in front of the Grateful Dead, particularly the "long winded" half hour jam variety, and John Coltrane and teach him some respect for hippies, though not of the IOW variety, to whom, like Pink Floyd, he owes a VERY great debt. We put you on the map baby, I ain't asking I was there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2013 18:15:14 GMT
A New Day Yesterday - Cream
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Post by tullist on Jul 6, 2013 18:31:44 GMT
A New Day Yesterday - Cream For me that one does bear fruit, as its the first Tull I recall hearing, my beloved Cream had just disbanded and this new sound was filling in some of the holes, which I believe also found bedfellows shortly thereafter with Mountain and the first track on Black Sabbath's first record, decades ago long discarded into the $h1te pile. Plus, not that it specifically matters, I have long heard that Leslie West is one arrogant obese prick, though I think Martin likes him. Of course also the first couple Zeppelin albums, which I may have pushed to the side for years at a time, but no band has ever announced themselves with greater authority than Zep with Good Times Bad Times.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 6, 2013 20:28:04 GMT
Wings-Inside
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 6, 2013 20:48:29 GMT
This is hard.. I've got The House of The King - Focus in my head only because it sounds Tullish and Thijs van Leer plays the flute an all but that belongs in another thread called songs that sound Tullish. What about Ozzy Osborne singing Beastie?
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 6, 2013 20:56:11 GMT
Santana-esque guitar on 'Still Loving You Tonite'
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 6, 2013 21:01:27 GMT
Sometimes visualise Fires At Midnight as a more up tempo Scottish ditty, sung by a man swirling his kilt. "I believe in fires at midnight when the dogs have all been fed...wheech!" i41.images obliterated by tinypic/68ue80.jpg[/IMG]
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