Post by nonrabbit on Jan 10, 2013 22:00:21 GMT
This new thread is in response to some points that came up elsewhere.
I would have moved the posts to here however Proboards are having technical problems so I will copy/paste.
Earsoftin;
jethrotull.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=collectors&thread=2217&page=1#33868
"Sorry to commit what is probably a posting crime, in linking two threads, but I was struck by this cover for a couple of reasons. One was to say thanks for posting the key, which is brilliant. I think a lot of us of a certain age were influenced by these fantastic compilations to explore new music - for me it was 'El Pea'. The second (and here is the link between two discussions) is the place of poor Sandy on the fringes of this bunch of blokes. I read an interesting, although bad-tempered, biography of her over Christmas which reminds you (as does this picture) of how much this music was dominated by men and to this end I'm also a little mystified by the possibility of isolating 'female friendly' Tull music. I think it's more a matter of the appeal of certain genres to certain groups, partly because of the musical and lyrical themes. 'Classic rock' (however we define that) does tend to be played by men and often is dominated by male concerns. Mr A. is certainly not innocent of this and I would imagine that many women might find 'Kissing Willie' a little off-putting. We seem to have moved a little (not far, I grant) away from the pigeonholing of musical tastes though - I think the work of Sandi Thom is interesting in this regard.
Another thought that occurs to me and this follows from the very valid point about the father-son concerns in early Tull - one of the attractions to me about Tull at an early age was how they looked. This was especially true of Ian, who was guaranteed to enrage parents - which was, of course, an attractive feature. He's certainly the hairiest one on this cover - the members of Free look almost respectable by contrast!"
nonrabbit;
jethrotull.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=collectors&thread=2217&page=1#33875
"..Yes it has moved on but by how much?
Sexism when I was growing up in the 60's/70's was rife - it was a part of life. I once went for a job to a well-known insurance company and the old fossil who interviewed me said at the end;
“Yes, you’re suitable for the job but you're a young girl - you'll meet a boy get married and then get pregnant so you won’t be here that long. Why should I give you the job?"
That attitude was tolerated and certainly not subject to any legislation.
In Glasgow and I'm sure other places too, there were still pubs that refused entry to women.
The music industry was no exception. I once had to visit the A&R Depts. of most of the major record labels in London in the early 70’s, I didn’t come across any women working in the upper echelons of the companies.
I liked rock music as a teenager, wasn’t into Folk and hated the Charts. I liked what was considered heavy at the time – Purple, Led etc. I socialised with people who had wide and varied musical tastes due to the eclectic range of music that was available yet I can’t really think of many – if any - women who were performing and successful in that genre.
It’s a subject that interests me."
Maddogfagin;
jethrotull.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=collectors&thread=2217&page=1#33879
"..You're right about the pigeonholing of musical tastes especially with regard to female artists. Sandy was a complex character and a person who had her fair share of problems and issues, many of her own making unfortunately. but there is an arguement that in reality she was the musical "leader" of the early Fairport during her tenure with the band, perhaps even more so than Richard Thompson.
So many of the artists then, and now, have one look for the stage and one for "normal" life. David Bowie is an artist who, in his formative years and on the fringes uf superstardom, was a rebel who stood out from the crowd but catch him backstage at the Three Tuns in Beckenham and he was a different character."
I would have moved the posts to here however Proboards are having technical problems so I will copy/paste.
Earsoftin;
jethrotull.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=collectors&thread=2217&page=1#33868
"Sorry to commit what is probably a posting crime, in linking two threads, but I was struck by this cover for a couple of reasons. One was to say thanks for posting the key, which is brilliant. I think a lot of us of a certain age were influenced by these fantastic compilations to explore new music - for me it was 'El Pea'. The second (and here is the link between two discussions) is the place of poor Sandy on the fringes of this bunch of blokes. I read an interesting, although bad-tempered, biography of her over Christmas which reminds you (as does this picture) of how much this music was dominated by men and to this end I'm also a little mystified by the possibility of isolating 'female friendly' Tull music. I think it's more a matter of the appeal of certain genres to certain groups, partly because of the musical and lyrical themes. 'Classic rock' (however we define that) does tend to be played by men and often is dominated by male concerns. Mr A. is certainly not innocent of this and I would imagine that many women might find 'Kissing Willie' a little off-putting. We seem to have moved a little (not far, I grant) away from the pigeonholing of musical tastes though - I think the work of Sandi Thom is interesting in this regard.
Another thought that occurs to me and this follows from the very valid point about the father-son concerns in early Tull - one of the attractions to me about Tull at an early age was how they looked. This was especially true of Ian, who was guaranteed to enrage parents - which was, of course, an attractive feature. He's certainly the hairiest one on this cover - the members of Free look almost respectable by contrast!"
nonrabbit;
jethrotull.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=collectors&thread=2217&page=1#33875
"..Yes it has moved on but by how much?
Sexism when I was growing up in the 60's/70's was rife - it was a part of life. I once went for a job to a well-known insurance company and the old fossil who interviewed me said at the end;
“Yes, you’re suitable for the job but you're a young girl - you'll meet a boy get married and then get pregnant so you won’t be here that long. Why should I give you the job?"
That attitude was tolerated and certainly not subject to any legislation.
In Glasgow and I'm sure other places too, there were still pubs that refused entry to women.
The music industry was no exception. I once had to visit the A&R Depts. of most of the major record labels in London in the early 70’s, I didn’t come across any women working in the upper echelons of the companies.
I liked rock music as a teenager, wasn’t into Folk and hated the Charts. I liked what was considered heavy at the time – Purple, Led etc. I socialised with people who had wide and varied musical tastes due to the eclectic range of music that was available yet I can’t really think of many – if any - women who were performing and successful in that genre.
It’s a subject that interests me."
Maddogfagin;
jethrotull.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=collectors&thread=2217&page=1#33879
"..You're right about the pigeonholing of musical tastes especially with regard to female artists. Sandy was a complex character and a person who had her fair share of problems and issues, many of her own making unfortunately. but there is an arguement that in reality she was the musical "leader" of the early Fairport during her tenure with the band, perhaps even more so than Richard Thompson.
So many of the artists then, and now, have one look for the stage and one for "normal" life. David Bowie is an artist who, in his formative years and on the fringes uf superstardom, was a rebel who stood out from the crowd but catch him backstage at the Three Tuns in Beckenham and he was a different character."