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Post by steelmonkey on Apr 28, 2012 12:04:17 GMT
I have to concede that due to the multiple, attentive listenings all new Tull/Ian releases get, they almost invariably pass thru a stage called 'best thing since Passion Play'....and then, over time, fade back into more realistic assessments and spots on the overall standings....but i think....I think...this time is different and I'm able to propose, even adjusting for momentary hysteria, that the music from the start of 'Change of Horses' thru the last note of the last song. 'Might ifs' is equal to the best Tull ever.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2012 13:35:03 GMT
I need more time. dammit.
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Post by steelmonkey on Apr 28, 2012 15:11:14 GMT
Time is on your side...yes it is.
Time waits for no one...and it won't wait for you
Time has come today
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Post by ash on Apr 28, 2012 15:39:24 GMT
There isn't a bad track on it imo, so it's up there with the best.
TAAB2 always a winner ;D
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Post by nonrabbit on Apr 28, 2012 17:47:45 GMT
There isn't a bad track on it imo, so it's up there with the best. TAAB2 always a winner ;D Yep Yep Yep ;D Are you playing along to any of the songs yet?
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Post by ash on Apr 28, 2012 18:26:21 GMT
Only tried Change Of horses so far which is not too hard. I haven't had much time for flute playing lately but I'm sure to be inspired after the Oxford show on Tuesday The thing is TAAB2 isn't full of long flute parts or instrumentals pieces....i.e. like Griminelli’s Lament, Eurology, Boris Dancing, Bourée or any of Divinities. Playing the odd few bars can be boring for the player . I do love playing Griminelli’s Lament and Boris dancing.
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Post by nonrabbit on Apr 28, 2012 19:20:21 GMT
Only tried Change Of horses so far which is not too hard. I haven't had much time for flute playing lately but I'm sure to be inspired after the Oxford show on Tuesday The thing is TAAB2 isn't full of long flute parts or instrumentals pieces....i.e. like Griminelli’s Lament, Eurology, Boris Dancing, Bourée or any of Divinities. Playing the odd few bars can be boring for the player . I do love playing Griminelli’s Lament and Boris dancing. I'm jealous that you can play some of this music - my pleasure is all from the listening. You surely will be inspired and delighted after Tuesday's gig Enjoy! and don't forget to let us know.
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Post by steelmonkey on Apr 30, 2012 17:41:54 GMT
Change of Horses live in Bristol: 'WOW'...more proof this is as good as it gets.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2012 17:54:13 GMT
Change of Horses live in Bristol: 'WOW'...more proof this is as good as it gets. The atmosphere of that song is just phenomenal in 5.1. Wootton Bassett Town too. Re: TAAB II's place in the canon - Like a drug, 5.1 could affect my judgement. Maybe I'm amazed.
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Post by nobodyspecial on Apr 30, 2012 18:15:31 GMT
It's funny really, I was driving a short distance Sunday morning to get - mmmmm, donuts - and I had Beatsie come up in the que. All I thought as I blasted my ears to oblivion was how awesome MB's playing was, how excellent the bass was, how great the lyrics were,,,,,,and how little I get that feeling from TAAB2.
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Post by bunkerfan on May 1, 2012 10:32:38 GMT
TAAB2 definitely deserves a place in musical history as one of the best albums written by Ian and played so well by all the musicians concerned.
I've listened to it again today and I'm still very pleased with all the tracks, I come to "Wootton Bassett Town" and it makes me want to bow my head in reverence to such a beautiful song.
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Post by steelmonkey on May 1, 2012 15:35:57 GMT
Thing is...Change of Horses/ Celtic Cradle has been around for a couple years...but it didn't get through to me till the disciplined, multiple listenings accorded a real 'album' release...I can't explain why but it is somehow proof that even in the computer era a band needs to package and release CDs...now I'm looking forward to going back on you tube and hearing the song evolve and all that...but I didn't really hear it right till it was 'official'.
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Post by steelmonkey on May 2, 2012 20:40:24 GMT
Tuesdays and Wednesdays I have to drive to work...my other days i ride a bike...and a pattern has evolved...on the way to work I start at 'Change of Horses' and get to work just about at the end of the CD...sitting iin my car the extra minute or two, if needed...or driving in silent awe if it finishes a couple minutes before i get to work. On the way home I start at the beginning and listen thru 'Shunt and Shuffle'...which gets me almost home ( more traffic in the PM than AM)....and leaves the CD ready at 'Change of Horses' for the next day....but at work, it's still 'Change of Horses, Pebble Thrown instrumental and Kismet' that run thru my head all day.......TAAB II is a very nice addition to the Tull collection....far, far, far more than I expected this late in the game.
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Post by nonrabbit on May 2, 2012 21:05:21 GMT
...far, far, far more than I expected this late in the game. Hear hear ! and I suspect a bit more to come as well
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Post by steelmonkey on May 2, 2012 21:18:36 GMT
Yup...no reason tto think there isn't more of the same...and if it take the current line-up to maintain current new-material quality...well...resolute and optimist...spur them fresh horses !
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Post by grassysound on May 3, 2012 3:25:44 GMT
It's great that IA has FINALLY released new music! TAAB2 is an exceptional album, musically, lyrically, and conceptually. Don't judge it based on other albums, or the original. It is a separate entity, and a very good one at that!!
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Post by steelmonkey on May 4, 2012 17:17:31 GMT
How good is Change of Horses? Chnage of Horses is as good as Budapest....any other questions?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2012 17:37:20 GMT
How good is Change of Horses? Change of Horses is as good as Budapest....any other questions? Change of Horses is better. What do you know?
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Post by steelmonkey on May 4, 2012 17:41:34 GMT
Okay, now we're splitting hairs....short ones
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2012 17:43:39 GMT
What do you know? Budapest? Just OK
What do you know? What do you know? What do you know?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2012 17:45:21 GMT
It's great that IA has FINALLY released new music! TAAB2 is an exceptional album, musically, lyrically, and conceptually. Don't judge it based on other albums, or the original. It is a separate entity, and a very good one at that!! Reading through, with this I must agree.
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Post by steelmonkey on May 6, 2012 1:52:26 GMT
How good is 'A Change of Horses'? Part II....This song is so good that you start hearing it...and it goes thru the intro and first verse...and you feel like it just started...and you look at the CD player display and it's already 3:36 seconds or so...when it felt more like about 75 seconds...then it plays a bit more...and before you know it, you look down and almost 7 minutes have passed...but it feels like it has been about a standard three minute song...and then it's 8:02 and over...This damn song is so good....it bends time....if you ever need 8:02 to go by really fast...this is the song for you!
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Post by wyrdskein on May 26, 2012 8:45:21 GMT
It's definitely a good album, but I wouldn't put it above most JT albums. In terms of Ian Anderson solo though, its probably his best.
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Post by maddogfagin on May 26, 2012 14:24:07 GMT
It's definitely a good album, but I wouldn't put it above most JT albums. In terms of Ian Anderson solo though, its probably his best. A friend of mine, who is not a Tull fan but does appreciate the music, commented that in his eyes if the line-up of Anderson, Barre, Giddings, Noyce and Perry had still been together then this album would quite possibly never have been made as the impetus may not have been there and that Ian Anderson needed fresh performers to conceive and produce TAAB2. Whilst I tend to broadly agree with this statement, one then has to wonder if some other musical extravaganza may have emerged or whether we would still be in the world of Jethro Tull “best of” concerts which we had a few years ago. That’s not to knock the ex-members mentioned above but it is a truism that ever so often “a change of horses” is needed to revitalise the soul and to recharge the batteries.
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Post by steelmonkey on May 26, 2012 16:02:30 GMT
Inertia had set in....and even if Ian was as responsible as anyone else for the overall inertia. he did the right thing rounding up some fresh, enthusiastic, unjaded, studio-patient helpers.
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Post by nobodyspecial on Jun 5, 2012 5:00:13 GMT
Still not hearing anything in 'Horses' that makes me 'want to ride' it musically. As an aside to that - I started to become a bit bored with IA/JT standard issue long song which for me - I mean Budapest and later started to be included on most JT efforts and became a set formula for each album. I really liked Budapest early on, but as more long songs came (and mostly towards the end of the following albums) I grew tired of them - and that's where I'm at with 'Horses' - want to hear it - still trying, but not yet.....oh well.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jun 5, 2012 15:21:23 GMT
I agree size ain't everything and the painfully obvious attempt to do "Budapest' again via 'White Innocence' was sadly formulaic and more or less failed.
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