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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 22:15:37 GMT
The musically mature Ian Anderson paying homage to all things Tull. Ian Anderson saying I am Tull with a nod to Gerald, the man he really is.
Deep, deeper.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 22:27:16 GMT
This takes into account that Roger Waters' moment.
I say Ian Anderson's Jethro Tull.
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Post by stevep on Mar 29, 2012 23:48:02 GMT
I have never been a big Floyd fan (always thought them a poor second to JT) but I liked the Wall and have listened to the album and live album over many years. I saw Waters concert a few weeks back and was knocked out by the whole thing. The show was amazing and Waters voice and the band sounded (to me) at least the equal of the old Floyd. Waters has replaced Gilmour with a singer and guitarist who fill his role admirably. If there is anyone out there (sorry!) that has a liking for PF and gets the chance to see the show... do not miss it !!
Regards the debates on TAAB2, it sounds really good to me.. certainly more like Tull than anything IA has done on previous solo albums. I am not sure what I expected though. I had wondered if it might be a rework like Mike Oldfield did on Tubular Bells 2 and later TB3. I don't think I would have known it was a sequel to TAAB if it had not been called TAAB2.
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Post by bunkerfan on Mar 30, 2012 10:03:43 GMT
Ian Anderson - Making Of Thick As A Brick 2
Uploaded by officialjethrotull
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Post by futureshock on Mar 30, 2012 21:05:16 GMT
Looks like it may have been recorded much too soon, if what's going on there is quite mechanical lyric-reading. Did the album ever have a chance to be developed as a live presentation? Doesn't seem so. Or is it still a poetry noodling on a restaurant napkin? Was the band seen sheet-music reading kind of mechanically? Sure looks like it. What's the difference between Ian's BS insult of classical artists being nothing but trained seals, and the current TAAB2 situation? Maybe Ian's been talking like an ignorant bloated arse. Look in the mirror, Anderson, there's lots of trained seal work on TAAB2. Explain! Coming out of creative retirement after 15+ years, you're showing your rusty edges and cobwebs and a distinct lack of respect. Just keep it to yourself.
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Post by nobodyspecial on Mar 31, 2012 0:05:21 GMT
Well I like your approach/observation. Interestingly, a decent and capable musician friend's comment about what he heard on the streaming FB of TAAB2 was that it sounded 'mechnical'. He's not quite the hardest JT fan around, but he has ventured with me to a lot of shows, including IA solo concerts. I'm finding myself ready to be very focused with this release - maybe even more than usual for some of the reasons you bring up.
I'm hearing something that doesn't 'settle' like all the previous releases of JT and IA solo efforts - from what I've heard, the word that comes to mind is 'rough'. I've said the one song that really impressed me so far is 'Wootton', it has a kind of atmosphere with emotion - it seems personal. The rest is something I'm not sure of.
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Post by tullist on Mar 31, 2012 1:24:26 GMT
Looks like it may have been recorded much too soon, if what's going on there is quite mechanical lyric-reading. Did the album ever have a chance to be developed as a live presentation? Doesn't seem so. Or is it still a poetry noodling on a restaurant napkin? Was the band seen sheet-music reading kind of mechanically? Sure looks like it. What's the difference between Ian's BS insult of classical artists being nothing but trained seals, and the current TAAB2 situation? Maybe Ian's been talking like an ignorant bloated arse. Look in the mirror, Anderson, there's lots of trained seal work on TAAB2. Explain! Coming out of creative retirement after 15+ years, you're showing your rusty edges and cobwebs and a distinct lack of respect. Just keep it to yourself. Trained seal work as compared to what other of Ian Anderson's creation? Just how was that entirely different from his general m.o. Generally speaking their material is not performed live prior to its recording, exceptions occasionally like My God 42 YEARS AGO, and indeed a couple of tracks on the new record. Btw, a lack of respect to whom? And as to presuming to tell Ian Anderson to "keep it to himself" that sounds alot more like something you should say to the man's face, rather than in the safety of a website. Thank goodness the man has never kept it to himself, particularly as concerns world events moreso than the drama cesspool of who left the band for what reason due to his dictatorial ways.
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 31, 2012 2:59:29 GMT
yeah....as much as my self-image would place me far to the left of Ian in all things political and current events, everything he says makes sense and comes across as sincere, thought through and usually grounded in experience, or at least observation and un-influenced by the static and fluff that pollutes the utterings of most public figures.....either I give him the benefit of doubt in a knee-jerk way or I have more in common with a tame, old rich guy than I thought...probably a bit of both....and yeah, since when have Tull songs been pounded into shape from jamming on stage? ..And yeah...I can hardly think up good question for our Terry Ellis Q & A cuz I don't want to hear any more about comings and goings of band members in the past 40 years......For all the interpolating and fantasizing and kwetching about Ian, Martin and the end of Tull, a sidebar in the Prog magazine article quotes Martin as saying, more or less, Ian wanted a different line-up for this project...Martin took it as a good time to pursue some of his postponed agendas and when Ian calls Martin on the phone to plan future collaborations he'll be ready, willing and able....and not far from the phone...how complicated is that?
Ray...stop leading me into sychophantic fanboy rants...it's undignified and boring....
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Post by tullist on Mar 31, 2012 4:03:16 GMT
Yet enlivening Bernie. One man's syncophantic rant is another man's statement of fact. Martin is the best. I want a Martin teddy bear, circa 1974. For awhile there they were makin GDead ones, fairly hideous, the Garcia ones moved lotsa units. I find your assessment of Anderson's politics curious Bernie, kind of wonder what you perceive them to be, and precisely where you find yourself well to his left? Mark the precise nature of your fear and all like dat. Sorry, spirit of the moment, doesn't really fit. If there were a name for an Anderson political party I think it might be the Pragmatists. I can see he embraces personal weaponry in a way that might be unappealing to me, maybe you, but my perception of that aspect is he collects guns as others collect fine wines. All that really matters at this point is whether Jeffrey is going to do his disertation or not, disapointed there has not been more heated speculation. Not sure how to do Vegas odds but I make it a 62 per cent likelihood of at least one. While I try not to be nostalgic, seeing them perform all that stuff in 92 after 20 years of seeing them every time where none of it had been performed was one occurence. What I found to be the kick ass reading of the original version of Dharma for One on the 40 years tour was another. Seeing Jeffrey appear even on You Tube and say, "Ian is playing a rhthmic link sequence..." would be like you getting your Passion Play. To me the quintessential Tull moments, coupled with the music that lead out of it, that I have viewed.
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Post by futureshock on Mar 31, 2012 4:16:45 GMT
I'll be interested to see reviews on Amazon, where there is no particular fan club of Tull. A more neutral set of reviews.
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Post by nonrabbit on Mar 31, 2012 6:11:44 GMT
Tullist "Martin teddy bear circa 74"
I can see just see it - with costume changes ;D ;D
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Post by tullpress on Mar 31, 2012 9:31:47 GMT
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Post by stevep on Mar 31, 2012 13:23:57 GMT
Thanks for this link. I have just downloaded AND on my Kindle in Bolivia (todays technology still amazes me). An interesting read for anyone who has not seen the most recent issue. The new service of being able to download AND has renewed my interest in the mag.. seems to work well.
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Post by nobodyspecial on Mar 31, 2012 18:27:32 GMT
Nice to really be able to hear it out of MB's brain.... Really, what's been REALLY new since the JT Christmas Album? One that I really enjoy. There were some comments on page 17 here of this Topic that compel me to remind myself (and to all) that everyone's opinion is valid, even if we disagree with it.
I always thought that while 'A' may have been a solo project to start, having 'Elegy' as the last song on SW seems that IA may have known in advance that it was time for change. I think JT as I expect it to be is largely finished - it seems that way for now as IA has intimated and MB hints at. I'm at a point where I don't think TAAB2 should have been done this way - not saying I'm in love with it or hate it. Too, IA doesn't sound like he was all that excited about 'filming in the studio' during TAAB2, and he was kind of 'nudged' along to the idea to TAAB2.....sounds like IA made a few compromises that he usually, if ever, would have made in the past to his creative process.
On the other hand, it's nice to hear MB sounding happy with things - and that he treats his own releases as a hobby type of thing - having had the opportunity to speak with him, I always found him to be a really fine person - I hope he has the chance to come to the states to play. Not many can run a business like JT the way IA does, but heck, I'll wish MB all the best with whatever he does or plays. Go for it MB!!!!
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Post by futureshock on Apr 1, 2012 7:54:10 GMT
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Post by nonrabbit on Apr 1, 2012 9:07:49 GMT
i40.images obliterated by tinypic/33f4zko.gif[/IMG].......... i40.images obliterated by tinypic/33f4zko.gif[/IMG] Oh I can't wait...14 hours 52 mins
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Post by bunkerfan on Apr 1, 2012 10:53:14 GMT
[/IMG].......... i40.images obliterated by tinypic/33f4zko.gif[/IMG] Oh I can't wait...14 hours 52 mins [/quote] Only 13 hours 8 mins but, will Amazon deliver the goods on time
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Post by snaffler on Apr 1, 2012 11:32:20 GMT
TAAB2 i love it!!!! full of fantastic incisive lyrics, full of brilliant observations, pathos, sensitivity and humour...the old boy done well brian. listening to it on a loop!!!!!
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Post by maddogfagin on Apr 1, 2012 13:44:41 GMT
www.theartsdesk.comIan Anderson - Thick as a Brick 2 The ghost of prog rock past inspires a sequel from the Jethro Tull veteran by Graham Fuller
The 1972 Jethro Tull opus Thick as a Brick was offered by Ian Anderson as a parody of progressive rock concept albums. Its sub-Pythonesque packaging proclaimed the record’s lyrics to be an epic poem composed by an eight-year-old swot, Gerald Bostock, who was disqualified from winning a literary prize after swearing during a BBC interview. Anderson talks up the jape to this day, neglecting the Oedipal struggle central to the album’s opaque narrative, its layered, intricate musical motifs, and its cinematic sweep. Never given its critical due, Thick ranks beside its predecessor, Aqualung, as a masterpiece.
He has now cut a fortieth anniversary sequel under his solo rubric with a fresh group that will internationally tour both albums beginning next month. TAAB 2, comprised of 17 tracks (including a blank-verse poem and a mock prayer), posits the several turnings that Gerald, now in midlife, might have taken – banker, down and out (a nod to Aqualung), soldier, preacher, shopkeeper. As a meditation on the chances and decisions that forge destinies, the concept allows Anderson to continue his caustic denunciation of society. It’s less affecting, however, than an undiluted character study might have been.
Despite the absence of guitarist Martin Barre, it's total late-period Tull. Anderson’s voice is more nasal than it once was, but there are a few Thick resonances – wintry winds, rumbling piano chords, a surging Hammond organ, some hoary flute and guitar riffs, even a reprise of the acoustically accompanied intro-outro, if none of those glorious barrelling Elizabethan passages that provided Tull’s pomp. Against that, there are several anthemic rockers that should succeed live and one road-tested, putative classic, the evenly paced “A Change of Horses", to which John O’Hara’s shimmering accordion lends a gorgeous Caledonian aura. “Resolute, the optimist, I ride fresh horse and spur it on / Four hundred thousand hours have come and gone", Anderson sings, simultaneously jettisoning his customized archness and the unreclaimable past.
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Post by maddogfagin on Apr 1, 2012 13:58:47 GMT
Adrian Stone-Mason has just emailed me about a new book on the subject. He recommends it most highly for anyone thinking about taking it up as a career. Attachments:
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Post by steelmonkey on Apr 1, 2012 16:06:44 GMT
Wonder if the CD store will gimme a break and sell me a TAABII today while I'm in the area w/kid and spare me at trip tomorrow...No fair, Euro-fans get it earlier than west coast victims ! Soon baby Soon.
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Post by maddogfagin on Apr 2, 2012 8:16:49 GMT
Wonder if the CD store will gimme a break and sell me a TAABII today while I'm in the area w/kid and spare me at trip tomorrow...No fair, Euro-fans get it earlier than west coast victims ! Soon baby Soon. Hopefully mine will drop through the letter box today or tomorrow, as I would think will happen with most UK fans at least. All being well the same thing will happen around the word, including Papua New Guinee. In the mean time I'll make do with my copy on minidisc.
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Post by angusprune on Apr 2, 2012 10:33:14 GMT
Parcel from Amazon hit the doormat 11.05 AM...CD in player 11.06 AM ;D Only 8 tracks in so far but up to now has exceeded my expectations - Banker Bets, Banker Wins in particular sounds like a definite grower to me. Love the occasional little nods to the original TAAB, in both melody and sound, plus other Tull tracks/eras - the Aqualung riff even gets a cheeky little reworking at one point (Adrift And Dumbfounded). I notice they snuck a Heavy Horses-era photo into the booklet too
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Post by ash on Apr 2, 2012 12:20:55 GMT
Not happy with CD Wow!! My copy has gone on back order . I've contacted them and asked why and how to cancel my order.
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Post by maddogfagin on Apr 2, 2012 12:32:00 GMT
Parcel from Amazon hit the doormat 11.05 AM...CD in player 11.06 AM ;D Only 8 tracks in so far but up to now has exceeded my expectations - Banker Bets, Banker Wins in particular sounds like a definite grower to me. Love the occasional little nods to the original TAAB, in both melody and sound, plus other Tull tracks/eras - the Aqualung riff even gets a cheeky little reworking at one point (Adrift And Dumbfounded). I notice they snuck a Heavy Horses-era photo into the booklet too Mine arrived through the letterbox at 1.25pm and is now playing on the cd player. Initial thoughts about the packaging is good, plenty to read etc., and I'm now listening to Pebbles instrumental. Still dislike digipacks though - will have to buy a digi(con)dom to protect it.
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Post by maddogfagin on Apr 2, 2012 12:35:48 GMT
Not happy with CD Wow!! My copy has gone on back order . I've contacted them and asked why and how to cancel my order. Kick arse Ash. Let us know how you get on.
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Post by Essan on Apr 2, 2012 13:34:23 GMT
My copy from Amazon was waiting on the doorstep when I arrived at work this morning Ash: if your order's not yet been posted then there's no reason why CD Wow shouldn't cancel it and give a full refund - assuming they've already charged your card? (Amazon don't charge you until they dispatch the order).
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Post by ash on Apr 2, 2012 13:57:47 GMT
Card has been charged! I'm going to order it again tonight with Amazon. No reply from CD Wow yet! The back order is 7 to 10 days . I'm not waiting that long. I will never order with those guy's again.
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Post by onewhiteduck on Apr 2, 2012 14:06:19 GMT
Had an e mail yesterday saying it had been dispatched by ..... Ingostarfish.com from Jersey!! ... ordered with Amazon!! Ain't turned up today.
Onepissedoffduck
Ps Just got over thr hangover from Wales winning the Grand Slam
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Post by steelmonkey on Apr 2, 2012 14:46:09 GMT
Local stores telling me release date is tomorrow, not today...who woulda thunk mail order was the way to go?...I suffer in silence SILENCE
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