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Post by futureshock on Dec 20, 2011 2:20:13 GMT
I'm all for injecting this situation with as much chaos as possible.
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Post by nobodyspecial on Dec 20, 2011 15:56:12 GMT
The best chaos comes from IA's comment a few years ago (or whenever it was) that w/o MB, JT would not exist as a group', or something to that affect. One would of course expect IA would say something given the seeming obvious opportunity with the TAAB tour with 'hair-rocker' FO playing instead. Maybe IA has forgotten what he said due to his increasing age or perhaps a lack of concern for treating we loyal fans kindly that have given $$$$ for the JT Kingdom.
Lesson number one to we 'loyalists'; don't expect IA to satisfy or reward our steadfast belief in all things JT with a simple statement that we may not like but certainly we could all live with simply by being shown the respect we would like. But don't hold your breath. JT w/o Martin does not exist any longer....I was listening to 'Mountain-Men' the other day, give it a turn and listen to the absolutely exquisite play of MB and then ask yourself, 'can JT exist with FO playing instead if MB?' My brain says no, absolutely not.
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Post by futureshock on Dec 21, 2011 9:19:00 GMT
. JT w/o Martin does not exist any longer....I was listening to 'Mountain-Men' the other day, give it a turn and listen to the absolutely exquisite play of MB and then ask yourself, 'can JT exist with FO playing instead if MB?' My brain says no, absolutely not. A new "Jethro Tull" album with no guitar on it. Confuse the hell out of everyone.
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Post by hawkmoth on Dec 21, 2011 21:00:30 GMT
Tull without Martin is Dull Tull,end of!!
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 22, 2011 9:09:18 GMT
I sort of feel sorry for Florian. Whatever he does he’s going to get compared with Martin and it’s something not of his own making. Of course he must realise he’s not going to win the hearts and minds of some JT fans but then should he worry? Don’t think so - he’s letting his guitar playing speak for itself and if it’s not exactly the same style as Martin’s is that then in many ways not a bad thing? At least he can’t be accused of being a clone.
Of course all this shenanigans could be a very clever ruse by messrs Anderson and Barre. Martin tells Ian he can’t commit to the TAAB tour but will go out in the later part of 2012 with his own band so that the Jethro Tull brand is kept in the public eye. By doing this, Jethro Tull is kept at the forefront of people’s minds and 2013 becomes the year that the band are back on the road.
I live in hope.
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Post by nonrabbit on Dec 22, 2011 9:52:54 GMT
I sort of feel sorry for Florian. Whatever he does he’s going to get compared with Martin and it’s something not of his own making. Of course he must realise he’s not going to win the hearts and minds of some JT fans but then should he worry? Don’t think so - he’s letting his guitar playing speak for itself and if it’s not exactly the same style as Martin’s is that then in many ways not a bad thing? At least he can’t be accused of being a clone. Of course all this shenanigans could be a very clever ruse by messrs Anderson and Barre. Martin tells Ian he can’t commit to the TAAB tour but will go out in the later part of 2012 with his own band so that the Jethro Tull brand is kept in the public eye. By doing this, Jethro Tull is kept at the forefront of people’s minds and 2013 becomes the year that the band are back on the road. I live in hope. I agree with you there I think it's down to shrewd marketing - what other kind is there?
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Post by TullSkull on Mar 10, 2012 15:56:28 GMT
Howdy... Bump this thread..
So, we see that what this thread was about, has happened and I see it has been forever since I was here last, My Bad. Anyway for me I look very forward to seeing Martin's new band and what he does with that. Like I said if Martin goes it is the IA Band and not Tull as Martin really is the heart of Tull. Looks like Ian too really thinks that as he has this as an Ian Anderson release and not Tull I have heard the clips for the new TAAB2 and it carries the sound of the IA Band and is a far cry from Tull. To me anyway..
Are you going to go see the tour?
So how do you all feel now, feel the same as you posted above? If you did..
Hope you are all well here in Tull Land. Skully...
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Post by bunkerfan on Mar 10, 2012 16:20:17 GMT
Personally I'd go to any concert to see a band with present or former Tull members.
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Post by steelmonkey on Mar 10, 2012 16:28:55 GMT
But Mr Skull...you tempted to go see brick I + II in Denver or SLC ? I did a radio shopw on the Deadhead Hour last August and both David Gans, the host, and i got a lot of mileage out of the 'Tullskull' handle for deadheads with an ear for Tull!
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Post by nobodyspecial on Mar 10, 2012 18:22:13 GMT
I think it's fairly obvious for most who have listened to JT through the years that w/o MB it is not JT. Time, all the JT albums, the creative input, and surely, the real sense of humanity, color, audio signature, or whatever else that MB has contributed is too unique to have been accomplished by any other guitar player.
MB is truly a unique and gifted talent that landed at the feet of IA and it worked. Neither could have known at the time how well it would work. In one recent review of an IA solo concert, the reivewer called FO absolutely brilliant and ahead of MB at the same age. There are many good to excellent, clean, capable, but without the 'atmosphere of sound' that distinguishes the truly excellent players. FO is not that.
MB is, and I've never bought into anything else. I've long ago bought into, and ate, hook, line and sinker, what JT is. IA's Solo is a completely different band and when I've heard JT tunes in those shows they are nice to hear but do little for me because nearly half the sound is missing. Too, as long as I'm in a mild 'on-about', AG is better keyboard player, and I was a bit disapointed that MB has never been given the opportunity to play any of the orchestral shows - especially the DVD. I thought he deserved that...in fact, the last JT lineup with MB, DP, AG, JN and IA was the most capable musically of any of the line-ups to date and certainly should have done a orchestral show or at least, a live recording.
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Post by TullSkull on Mar 10, 2012 20:28:42 GMT
But Mr Skull...you tempted to go see brick I + II in Denver or SLC ? I did a radio shopw on the Deadhead Hour last August and both David Gans, the host, and i got a lot of mileage out of the 'Tullskull' handle for deadheads with an ear for Tull! Howdy Steelmonkey. Glad you got some use of the nick name, I seen some where awhile back where you had used it or I may of heard the show.. I have looked for tickets in Denver, that is a really nice venue, we seen ALungs 25 Anni Tour there. If I can get center seats on the floor level I may go, IF a RUSH concert is not around that time. But then again I may not, I seen TAAB in 72 and it was awesome, not sure I want to change that with IA Band playing it. I may of been more apt to go if it was just TAAB2. We seen IA Band back in 05 I think and they played some Tull tunes and there were just flat. I look forward to seeing what Martin's new band will do with the Tull tunes and some of the old Tull players.. Skully
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Post by futureshock on Mar 11, 2012 0:06:15 GMT
You know, I'm not going to judge the current batch of musicians of Tull from the TAAB2 episode, but I'm glad for them as a group that they finally get to experience a group creative project of more demanding challenge than a few sporadic songs. So I'm hoping TAAB2 warrants at least a 4/5 for inclusive creative process, regardless of any opinion of "TAAB2" as a listener experience. Earlier versions of Tull all had that group cohesion coming out of making dozens of songs, including the monster projects of TAAB, APP, and some great instrumental work distributed all over the place.
Tull live should be a better band after this process, because they'll be back to what Tull should be about. Martin didn't need a refresher course in that stuff, so I'm glad he's off doing other projects to refresh the creative energy and experience the spice of life. The kind of better energy of having Martin come back to Tull for a better phase from here on, would be good, but who knows what Tull will be from here on. TAAB2 is only one project and 2012 looks like a good year all around. That's a hell of a better situation than what's been going on, from where I see it, out here in Calgary, not knowing anything about what makes those guys tick. Yours truly, Johnny Not-A-Clue.
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Post by dragonguitar on Jan 17, 2015 5:30:07 GMT
I think its Tull if Ian is there. He is so much the definition of the band that many people think that Jethro Tull is his name. And I honestly have to disagree with people saying that Martin is the most talented guitarist of his time- yes, he is good, but Jimmy Page, Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Angus Young, Steve Howe, and Alex Lifeson I all rank ahead of him honestly. Just my opinion.
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 17, 2015 9:34:49 GMT
I think its Tull if Ian is there. He is so much the definition of the band that many people think that Jethro Tull is his name. And I honestly have to disagree with people saying that Martin is the most talented guitarist of his time- yes, he is good, but Jimmy Page, Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Angus Young, Steve Howe, and Alex Lifeson I all rank ahead of him honestly. Just my opinion. Imo it all boils down to what a band member puts into a band in the way of music, composing skills and attitude. Martin certainly put a heck of a lot of music into the band to flesh out the songs of IA and I don't think the band would have been the same, let alone survived for all these years, without him. The guitar players you mentioned are all exceptional musicians and can be classed as individually unique. There'll never be a definitive answer as to who is the best as each is/was a master craftsman in their own right.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jan 17, 2015 20:28:01 GMT
Best guitars ever: ( with VERY West Coast USA bias): In no order: Jerry Garcia, John Cippolina, Randy California, Hendrix, Richard Thompson, Mark Knopfler and Prince. Martin Barre not far behind and much better than tons of guitarists with bigger reputations. I'd put Barre even with guys like Zappa and Neil Young.....unique 'voices' not mistakable for anyone else.
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Post by Tull50 on Jan 17, 2015 22:05:23 GMT
I think its Tull if Ian is there. He is so much the definition of the band that many people think that Jethro Tull is his name. And I honestly have to disagree with people saying that Martin is the most talented guitarist of his time- yes, he is good, but Jimmy Page, Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Angus Young, Steve Howe, and Alex Lifeson I all rank ahead of him honestly. Just my opinion. Imo it all boils down to what a band member puts into a band in the way of music, composing skills and attitude. Martin certainly put a heck of a lot of music into the band to flesh out the songs of IA and I don't think the band would have been the same, let alone survived for all these years, without him. The guitar players you mentioned are all exceptional musicians and can be classed as individually unique. There'll never be a definitive answer as to who is the best as each is/was a master craftsman in their own right. I agree with both, sentimentally could say that Martin is the best guitarist for Tull, but surely because are many years of concerts with Tull, knowing him and his wife Julie personally and share pleasant moments. This could influence me, but also I have my favorite guitarists among which are Page, Plant, Clapton, Mark Knopfler...a very long list! Apart from all this for me Jethro Tull continue as long as IA wants to exist, he is the only essential in the band. In my opinion IA is Jethro Tull...but I have to admit that Florian aside from being a great person is an excellent guitarist and very versatile, at the height of to a big band like IA-Jethro Tull.
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Post by hardliner on Jan 18, 2015 14:16:25 GMT
I think its Tull if Ian is there. He is so much the definition of the band that many people think that Jethro Tull is his name. And I honestly have to disagree with people saying that Martin is the most talented guitarist of his time- yes, he is good, but Jimmy Page, Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Angus Young, Steve Howe, and Alex Lifeson I all rank ahead of him honestly. Just my opinion. Angus Young ahead of Sir Barre ,really Rory Gallagher probably the greatest guitarist ever ,cant think of any others who really had the versatility of Rory .
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 18, 2015 16:36:18 GMT
I think its Tull if Ian is there. He is so much the definition of the band that many people think that Jethro Tull is his name. And I honestly have to disagree with people saying that Martin is the most talented guitarist of his time- yes, he is good, but Jimmy Page, Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Angus Young, Steve Howe, and Alex Lifeson I all rank ahead of him honestly. Just my opinion. Angus Young ahead of Sir Barre ,really Rory Gallagher probably the greatest guitarist ever ,cant think of any others who really had the versatility of Rory . Very good point re. Rory and he always benefited from being the front man and leader of his combo. Not a flash player by any means and he was a good singer as well. Could add Robin Trower to the list
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Post by dragonguitar on Jan 18, 2015 20:32:07 GMT
I think its Tull if Ian is there. He is so much the definition of the band that many people think that Jethro Tull is his name. And I honestly have to disagree with people saying that Martin is the most talented guitarist of his time- yes, he is good, but Jimmy Page, Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Angus Young, Steve Howe, and Alex Lifeson I all rank ahead of him honestly. Just my opinion. Angus Young ahead of Sir Barre ,really Rory Gallagher probably the greatest guitarist ever ,cant think of any others who really had the versatility of Rory . Well alright we can put Martin ahead of Angus
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Post by maddogfagin on Jan 19, 2015 9:22:48 GMT
Angus Young ahead of Sir Barre ,really Rory Gallagher probably the greatest guitarist ever ,cant think of any others who really had the versatility of Rory . Well alright we can put Martin ahead of Angus Forgot to add Peter Green in my list. My mistake
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Post by hardliner on Jan 19, 2015 10:02:52 GMT
Getting a bit sidetracked but on the subject of top guitarists. Bill Nelson another superb Axeman who isnt really heard of by many people. This solo takes some beating www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjiArdooBi4
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Post by onewhiteduck on Jan 19, 2015 10:35:49 GMT
Peter Green definately for me, but as mentioned here there will never be a definative list because its purely subjective. Martin is there for me because I have listened to him more than anyone else and have ssen him live many many times, and I just love his sound.
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Post by Aqualung1989 on Jan 21, 2015 17:26:59 GMT
Florian is good, but Tull without Martin is just too weird for me. It's "just" The Ian Anderson Band (I know I'm not saying anything new, but when it comes to Tull without Martin, I can't shut up)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 12:57:45 GMT
Steve Smith: Ian Anderson on Jethro Tull reunionAfter 44 years, Jethro Tull mastermind Ian Anderson broke up the band at the end of 2011. However, many of his legions of fans want a reunion, especially with guitarist Martin Barre, who was with the 67-year-old Anderson since late 1968, recording every Jethro Tull album since the eclectic group’s second album, “Stand Up” in 1969 through its final studio album, “The Jethro Tull Christmas Album” in 2003.
Of this, Anderson says no way.
“I am rather bemused by the fan gossip surrounding who might be, or should be, at my side in concert,” he writes on his and Jethro Tull’s website. “All of the current musicians in the current band (his Ian Anderson touring band) have performed as members of Jethro Tull during the last decade.”
Anderson may have billed his solo shows as “Jethro Tull’s Ian Anderson” or even, to help ticket sales, as “Jethro Tull,” but the truth is that only one of Anderson’s five touring band members, keyboardist John O’Hara, was ever a member of Jethro Tull (from 1967-2011). Bassist David Goodier, guitarist Florian Opahle, drummer Scott Hammond and vocalist Ryan O’Donnell were never members of Jethro Tull. What’s he talking about?
Of old Tull members, he notes: “There have been, arguably, 26 members of Jethro Tull over the years; a big extended family of musicians. A family who are usually delighted to see each other again after a period of absence but sometimes with the proviso that after a warm and welcoming cup of tea, they won’t stay for lunch. You know how it is.”
About 68-year-old Barre, he writes: “Fans have their favorite lineup, and Martin figures in most of them, having been the stalwart Tull guitarist from 1969 to 2011.”
Anderson swears that he encouraged him to move on from him and Jethro Tull.
“He now fronts his own band and, as he says, is enjoying the best musical time of his life, is a great and fitting place for him to be in his life right now,” he said.
It’s doubtful that Barre is, in truth, “enjoying the best musical time of his life,” considering the legendary albums and tours he undertook with Tull. The Anderson-Barre relationship can be seen as a married couple that grew apart and, in fact, grew quite sick of each other, and are each happy as proverbial clams to be rid of each other’s company.
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Post by JTull 007 on Mar 28, 2015 14:26:04 GMT
Steve Smith: Ian Anderson on Jethro Tull reunion“He now fronts his own band and, as he says, is enjoying the best musical time of his life, is a great and fitting place for him to be in his life right now,” he said.
It’s doubtful that Barre is, in truth, “enjoying the best musical time of his life,” considering the legendary albums and tours he undertook with Tull. The Anderson-Barre relationship can be seen as a married couple that grew apart and, in fact, grew quite sick of each other, and are each happy as proverbial clams to be rid of each other’s company. When Martin played his own songs with other musicians, he was always in control. With his new album on the musical horizon I hope he has all the success he feels he has earned.
Many Tull Fans try to blame Ian for what Martin is now dealing with and his limited touring. As though Martin is owed a final Re-Union Tour which may or may not happen. The same is said about all the members of the 70's line-up. I'm happy with 2015 and beyond.
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Post by jethrotull on Mar 29, 2015 4:06:36 GMT
"It’s doubtful that Barre is, in truth, “enjoying the best musical time of his life,” considering the legendary albums and tours he undertook with Tull. The Anderson-Barre relationship can be seen as a married couple that grew apart and, in fact, grew quite sick of each other, and are each happy as proverbial clams to be rid of each other’s company."
It is very sad to me because for many, many years these two musicians were so in synch, watching them on stage they were like one, playing off of each other like no other band members I've seen, the electric guitar the perfect foil for the flute, that WAS the Tull sound, and there could be no question that Martin and Ian enjoyed performing together as much as we enjoyed watching them and listening to them. I got the sense from a recent interview that Ian felt that in recent years Martin has been happy to just "dial it in" - that Ian did all the work of composing the music, arranging the tours - the hard work, and Martin just showed up to play. This gradually built up resentment until Ian had had enough - he wanted Martin to find out what it was like to do all of the hard preparation work for an album or a tour, and maybe felt that Martin would find more fulfillment in being in control of his own musical direction and performance. Whatever the case, they were incredible performers together, and I will always cherish the many Tull concerts I attended, especially those early ones where the band just soared.
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 29, 2015 10:26:59 GMT
"It’s doubtful that Barre is, in truth, “enjoying the best musical time of his life,” considering the legendary albums and tours he undertook with Tull. The Anderson-Barre relationship can be seen as a married couple that grew apart and, in fact, grew quite sick of each other, and are each happy as proverbial clams to be rid of each other’s company." It is very sad to me because for many, many years these two musicians were so in synch, watching them on stage they were like one, playing off of each other like no other band members I've seen, the electric guitar the perfect foil for the flute, that WAS the Tull sound, and there could be no question that Martin and Ian enjoyed performing together as much as we enjoyed watching them and listening to them. I got the sense from a recent interview that Ian felt that in recent years Martin has been happy to just "dial it in" - that Ian did all the work of composing the music, arranging the tours - the hard work, and Martin just showed up to play. This gradually built up resentment until Ian had had enough - he wanted Martin to find out what it was like to do all of the hard preparation work for an album or a tour, and maybe felt that Martin would find more fulfillment in being in control of his own musical direction and performance. Whatever the case, they were incredible performers together, and I will always cherish the many Tull concerts I attended, especially those early ones where the band just soared. I'm sure that there is more than a grain of truth in what you say. Certainly the years "on the road" can't have helped and as with other former members of the band, maybe that closeness was just too much. I have often wondered what might have been the outcome if Martin had left at the same time as Barrie and John - would he have got back together with Ian a few years further down the line or, possibly of bigger interest, who was around at the time of "the big split" in 1980 who could have replaced Martin.
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Post by theothertull on Mar 29, 2015 17:11:20 GMT
"It’s doubtful that Barre is, in truth, “enjoying the best musical time of his life,” considering the legendary albums and tours he undertook with Tull. The Anderson-Barre relationship can be seen as a married couple that grew apart and, in fact, grew quite sick of each other, and are each happy as proverbial clams to be rid of each other’s company." It is very sad to me because for many, many years these two musicians were so in synch, watching them on stage they were like one, playing off of each other like no other band members I've seen, the electric guitar the perfect foil for the flute, that WAS the Tull sound, and there could be no question that Martin and Ian enjoyed performing together as much as we enjoyed watching them and listening to them. I got the sense from a recent interview that Ian felt that in recent years Martin has been happy to just "dial it in" - that Ian did all the work of composing the music, arranging the tours - the hard work, and Martin just showed up to play. This gradually built up resentment until Ian had had enough - he wanted Martin to find out what it was like to do all of the hard preparation work for an album or a tour, and maybe felt that Martin would find more fulfillment in being in control of his own musical direction and performance. Whatever the case, they were incredible performers together, and I will always cherish the many Tull concerts I attended, especially those early ones where the band just soared. I'm sure that there is more than a grain of truth in what you say. Certainly the years "on the road" can't have helped and as with other former members of the band, maybe that closeness was just too much. I have often wondered what might have been the outcome if Martin had left at the same time as Barrie and John - would he have got back together with Ian a few years further down the line or, possibly of bigger interest, who was around at the time of "the big split" in 1980 who could have replaced Martin. I think there were a host of people who could have and would have joined Tull in 1980. The bigger question is why didn't Martin Leave? Why with all the people coming and going, all the things that were said about Ian, he stayed, even after he himself said things were bad, repetitive, etc. He stuck around, until of course he was fired. I think that is the question, and I think many know the answer, just wont speak to it, and it is also why his recent statements lack credibility.
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Post by hardliner on Mar 29, 2015 20:11:31 GMT
Well if you know the Tull history you would know That Martin actually suggested Ian try working with a different guitar at the 1980 big split. Martin suggested it would be good for Ian to try another player on the A album.
Ian insisted Martin be part of that lineup that was to become Jethro Tull after initially being planned as an Anderson solo album.
Ian knew then how important Martins signature style was to the success of Tull.
The question really is why didnt Ian go it alone way before now when he still had some kind of voice,i find it quite sad that he has waited this late in the day when his voice is a pale shadow of what it was to prove himself as a solo artist. 1980 would have been an ideal time to go solo in reality.
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Post by theothertull on Mar 30, 2015 1:00:35 GMT
Well if you know the Tull history you would know That Martin actually suggested Ian try working with a different guitar at the 1980 big split. Martin suggested it would be good for Ian to try another player on the A album. Ian insisted Martin be part of that lineup that was to become Jethro Tull after initially being planned as an Anderson solo album. Ian knew then how important Martins signature style was to the success of Tull. The question really is why didnt Ian go it alone way before now when he still had some kind of voice,i find it quite sad that he has waited this late in the day when his voice is a pale shadow of what it was to prove himself as a solo artist. 1980 would have been an ideal time to go solo in reality. So thanks for the lesson. The only record of Martin saying that is on the 40 Ann, video, same one he throws Glenn Cornick under the bus, and nicely avoids the question as to why he stayed while others left or were kicked out. In light of the fact that Ian continued to make solo albums without Martin, suggest he realised he did not need Martin to produce quality stuff, doesn't history state that A was to be a solo album, maybe he used Martin because he was trained and felt that he was in need of employment. But again the reality is that there is a trail of solo work by Ian without Martin, all with that unique Ian sound and quality, and until pushed Martin really did not do much. Let's be real his solo work prior to being fired is questionable at best. All the time Ian was on the road with Ian stuff Martin did nothing, and the only reason one can suggest for that is that he was complacent in Tull. Look, you can be a great guitar player and a jerk at the same time. Martin was an important element in Tull, but not a crucial one. What bugs me and most who can see Tull for what it is, and Ian for what he is, is the way Martin has been reinventing history sine he got the boot. I understand he was surprised, Ian and the others clearly were working on TAAB 2 long before Martin got the boot, but it's time for him to do as Frank Zappa saidd Shut up and play your guitar, and I am sorry, but his mouth has gotten way ahead of his playing. ANd I think there can be a Tull without Martin, the question we'll find out soon, is can there be a Martin without Tull.
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