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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 18, 2019 6:32:36 GMT
Thanks for posting Magus, now to lie back and think of salmon . . .
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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 21, 2019 6:23:53 GMT
ultimateclassicrock.com/october-2019-new-music-releases/Oct. 18 Alter Bridge, Walk the Sky The Cure, The Cure – 40 Live: CURÆTION-25 + Anniversary (DVD) Dan McCafferty [Nazareth], Last Testament Doors, The Soft Parade (expanded reissue) Fastball, The Help Machine Jethro Tull, Stormwatch: The 40th Anniversary Force 10 Edition (4CD/2DVD box set) Mark Lanegan Band, Somebody’s Knocking Rob Halford, Celestial Stone Temple Pilots, Purple: Super Deluxe Edition
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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 27, 2019 14:13:39 GMT
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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 28, 2019 6:41:04 GMT
Thanks to Old Webby for putting the word in with Warners and to Dave Rees for the alternative credit in AND. ps. No money exchanged hands at any time. Not to ruffle any feathers with any other Tull fans but the version of Dun Ringill, played in a lower key, is an absolute belter and probably my favourite of the various versions, and what can I say about Urban Apocalypse - it's worth the price of entry alone and in an ideal world should have made it onto the original vinyl album in the first place. I've only heard part of the live concert from Den Haag so far and it's a faithful recording of the concert set list and much better, sound wise, than I had expected. Maybe it's the very many years of listening to bootlegs that have done my ears in but compliments to whoever preserved the original recording.
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Post by argentull on Sept 28, 2019 12:52:38 GMT
I was about to ask you Graham how did the live show sound. Post more pictures PLEASE!
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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 28, 2019 13:49:53 GMT
I was about to ask you Graham how did the live show sound. Post more pictures PLEASE! Sounds good to me allowing for my aged ears
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Post by argentull on Sept 28, 2019 19:29:48 GMT
Does the book anyhow suggest that the series may continue?
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Post by cecil on Sept 28, 2019 21:30:20 GMT
Thanks to Old Webby for putting the word in with Warners and to Dave Rees for the alternative credit in AND. ps. No money exchanged hands at any time. Not to ruffle any feathers with any other Tull fans but the version of Dun Ringill, played in a lower key, is an absolute belter and probably my favourite of the various versions, and what can I say about Urban Apocalypse - it's worth the price of entry alone and in an ideal world should have made it onto the original vinyl album in the first place. I've only heard part of the live concert from Den Haag so far and it's a faithful recording of the concert set list and much better, sound wise, than I had expected. Maybe it's the very many years of listening to bootlegs that have done my ears in but compliments to whoever preserved the original recording. How about Elegy, Man of god etc?
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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 29, 2019 6:35:58 GMT
Does the book anyhow suggest that the series may continue? Still "ploughing" through the book but haven't come across any definite reference as to whether the series will continue. Oh and by the way as a suggestion to Warners re. a Benefit book. If they intend to persue the idea and the accompanying discs are indeed the same why not provide just the book minus the discs for those who do not want yet another set of discs. Just a thought 😁
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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 29, 2019 6:53:48 GMT
Not to ruffle any feathers with any other Tull fans but the version of Dun Ringill, played in a lower key, is an absolute belter and probably my favourite of the various versions, and what can I say about Urban Apocalypse - it's worth the price of entry alone and in an ideal world should have made it onto the original vinyl album in the first place. I've only heard part of the live concert from Den Haag so far and it's a faithful recording of the concert set list and much better, sound wise, than I had expected. Maybe it's the very many years of listening to bootlegs that have done my ears in but compliments to whoever preserved the original recording. How about Elegy, Man of god etc? OK a quick Sunday morning summary of my thoughts on some of disc two. Man Of God: rather a repetitive set of lyrics and I can see how this song didn't make the final cut if indeed it is a finished master which I somehow doubt. Dark Ages: a longer early version of the song which in my view makes it even more of a masterpiece. Must have been quite something for the band to have had to re-record the song for the final version that appeared on the original album. A masterpiece and an epic song. Orion: Similar comments as Dark Ages - an absolute classic and masterpiece. Spot the places where the song was edited for the final version.
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Post by cecil on Sept 29, 2019 22:10:45 GMT
How about Elegy, Man of god etc? OK a quick Sunday morning summary of my thoughts on some of disc two. Man Of God: rather a repetitive set of lyrics and I can see how this song didn't make the final cut if indeed it is a finished master which I somehow doubt. Dark Ages: a longer early version of the song which in my view makes it even more of a masterpiece. Must have been quite something for the band to have had to re-record the song for the final version that appeared on the original album. A masterpiece and an epic song. Orion: Similar comments as Dark Ages - an absolute classic and masterpiece. Spot the places where the song was edited for the final version. Nice. You think the bonus disc is better than the horses one? Will be interesting to hear. Thought there were a couple too many slightly unfinished tunes on horses. Thought Wilson could have done more to improve the sound of Beltane and Everything in our lives. Any other cool new bonus tracks? How’s the album sound now. I bet awesome. Wilson really cleans up the drums and adds bass too
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Post by rainbowblue on Sept 30, 2019 0:51:44 GMT
OK a quick Sunday morning summary of my thoughts on some of disc two. Man Of God: rather a repetitive set of lyrics and I can see how this song didn't make the final cut if indeed it is a finished master which I somehow doubt. Dark Ages: a longer early version of the song which in my view makes it even more of a masterpiece. Must have been quite something for the band to have had to re-record the song for the final version that appeared on the original album. A masterpiece and an epic song. Orion: Similar comments as Dark Ages - an absolute classic and masterpiece. Spot the places where the song was edited for the final version. Nice. You think the bonus disc is better than the horses one? Will be interesting to hear. Thought there were a couple too many slightly unfinished tunes on horses. Thought Wilson could have done more to improve the sound of Beltane and Everything in our lives. Any other cool new bonus tracks? How’s the album sound now. I bet awesome. Wilson really cleans up the drums and adds bass too Yes, I was wondering the same thing. How does the Steve Wilson remixes sound on the original album. Anxious to hear Somethings On The Move, Old Ghosts and Flying Dutchman. Listening to FD now as I write .
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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 30, 2019 7:02:50 GMT
Nice. You think the bonus disc is better than the horses one? Will be interesting to hear. Thought there were a couple too many slightly unfinished tunes on horses. Thought Wilson could have done more to improve the sound of Beltane and Everything in our lives. Any other cool new bonus tracks? How’s the album sound now. I bet awesome. Wilson really cleans up the drums and adds bass too Yes, I was wondering the same thing. How does the Steve Wilson remixes sound on the original album. Anxious to hear Somethings On The Move, Old Ghosts and Flying Dutchman. Listening to FD now as I write . Yes I do think the bonus disc is superior to most of the others as by the time Stormwatch was originally recorded the recording techniques were vastly improved from what had been available earlier. So apart from Man Of God which to me sounds unfinished with Ian still possibly in the process of finalising the lyrics and the Rock Instrumental which is an "unfinished master" probably waiting for the lyrics to be completed, disc 2 could almost be a release in its own right. And the John Evan intro to the instrumental A Single Man is beautiful as is the whole track. Stormwatch itself benefits from the aforementioned improved recording techniques and in truth SW hasn't had to do too much tinkering with it. Still sounds marvellous even after all these years. My only minor complaint would be that at 4'46" Urban Apocalypse is far too short but then we do have Dee's take on her song so all is well here in Cornwall
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Post by cecil on Sept 30, 2019 8:18:31 GMT
Nice. You think the bonus disc is better than the horses one? Will be interesting to hear. Thought there were a couple too many slightly unfinished tunes on horses. Thought Wilson could have done more to improve the sound of Beltane and Everything in our lives. Any other cool new bonus tracks? How’s the album sound now. I bet awesome. Wilson really cleans up the drums and adds bass too Yes, I was wondering the same thing. How does the Steve Wilson remixes sound on the original album. Anxious to hear Somethings On The Move, Old Ghosts and Flying Dutchman. Listening to FD now as I write . Yes I do think the bonus disc is superior to most of the others as by the time Stormwatch was originally recorded the recording techniques were vastly improved from what had been available earlier. So apart from Man Of God which to me sounds unfinished with Ian still possibly in the process of finalising the lyrics and the Rock Instrumental which is an "unfinished master" probably waiting for the lyrics to be completed, disc 2 could almost be a release in its own right. And the John Evan intro to the instrumental A Single Man is beautiful as is the whole track. Stormwatch itself benefits from the aforementioned improved recording techniques and in truth SW hasn't had to do too much tinkering with it. Still sounds marvellous even after all these years. My only minor complaint would be that at 4'46" Urban Apocalypse is far too short but then we do have Dee's take on her song so all is well here in Cornwall I forgot about Single man. I think someone was talking Man of God up on progears. I’ll have to give it a listen. You notice any new additions to the album tracks? A bit of missing guitar, key or flute that has been added back in or some added vocal effects
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Post by jethrotull on Sept 30, 2019 18:59:25 GMT
And the John Evan intro to the instrumental A Single Man is beautiful as is the whole track. On the spring portion of the 1979 tour there was a hard rocking Martin Barre instrumental that included the drum solo and a beautiful classically based piano introduction by John - could this instrumental be the track A Single man?
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 1, 2019 6:26:40 GMT
I forgot about Single man. I think someone was talking Man of God up on progears. I’ll have to give it a listen. You notice any new additions to the album tracks? A bit of missing guitar, key or flute that has been added back in or some added vocal effects I get the distinct impression that John's piano parts are marginally clearer and easier to hear.
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 1, 2019 6:29:35 GMT
And the John Evan intro to the instrumental A Single Man is beautiful as is the whole track. On the spring portion of the 1979 tour there was a hard rocking Martin Barre instrumental that included the drum solo and a beautiful classically based piano introduction by John - could this instrumental be the track A Single man? Yes I think you're correct. Dave Rees in AND says it is but I'll have to listen to some boots of that era to be sure.
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Post by cecil on Oct 1, 2019 7:27:03 GMT
I forgot about Single man. I think someone was talking Man of God up on progears. I’ll have to give it a listen. You notice any new additions to the album tracks? A bit of missing guitar, key or flute that has been added back in or some added vocal effects I get the distinct impression that John's piano parts are marginally clearer and easier to hear. I bet the drums are a bit flatter too. Ian’s bass sound different?
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 1, 2019 15:16:56 GMT
I get the distinct impression that John's piano parts are marginally clearer and easier to hear. I bet the drums are a bit flatter too. Ian’s bass sound different? I think with this release it's a case of subtle tinkering with the master tapes although it would seem Ian's bass may have been toned down just a notch or two.
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 2, 2019 6:48:27 GMT
I bet the drums are a bit flatter too. Ian’s bass sound different? I think with this release it's a case of subtle tinkering with the master tapes although it would seem Ian's bass may have been toned down just a notch or two. Forgot to say that the earlier version of Dun Ringill as featured on disc 2 has some minor alterations to the lyrics. For example: "goblins" instead of "old gods" in the last line of the first verse, and "storm clouds brew" instead of "stormwatch brews" in the second verse. There's also no spoken intro by Francis Wilson with this earlier version.
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 3, 2019 6:57:26 GMT
A few more images from the book And this one by Carsten Bergmann of a bass playing Barrie Barlow Acknowledgements also to all the other photographers whose work is included in the book. So in addition to Carsten, there's work by Martyn Goddard, Chris Fenger, Ron Vermeulen, Tim Ward and Tom Holsclaw
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Post by steelmonkey on Oct 3, 2019 20:01:22 GMT
Please Amazon....hurry and deliver mine. I think I am supposed to expect it late October, first couple days of November,
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Post by cecil on Oct 4, 2019 10:57:21 GMT
I think with this release it's a case of subtle tinkering with the master tapes although it would seem Ian's bass may have been toned down just a notch or two. Forgot to say that the earlier version of Dun Ringill as featured on disc 2 has some minor alterations to the lyrics. For example: "goblins" instead of "old gods" in the last line of the first verse, and "storm clouds brew" instead of "stormwatch brews" in the second verse. There's also no spoken intro by Francis Wilson with this earlier version. I thought that was Ian talking at the start lol. Only two weeks until mine is in the mail hopefully. Probably three weeks until it gets to my house though grrr
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Post by tullpress on Oct 4, 2019 13:39:12 GMT
Curious about a couple of things:
* Is 'Broadford Bazaar' just the same as the Nightcap version (and Heavy Horses 2003 CD remaster), i.e. with the early 90s bamboo flute overdubs still there? Or has Steve Wilson cut them out, leaving just the original track as it was first recorded?
It would be a bonus (for me, anyway) if the bamboo flute was removed.
* Any info included on the source of the live show? Does it mention it was a soundboard recording?
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 4, 2019 14:39:02 GMT
Curious about a couple of things: * Is 'Broadford Bazaar' just the same as the Nightcap version (and Heavy Horses 2003 CD remaster), i.e. with the early 90s bamboo flute overdubs still there? Or has Steve Wilson cut them out, leaving just the original track as it was first recorded? It would be a bonus (for me, anyway) if the bamboo flute was removed. * Any info included on the source of the live show? Does it mention it was a soundboard recording? A Q1. Flute still on the track. Q2. Nederlands Congresgebouw, 16th March 1980. Quote from the book: "Recorded in stereo from the front of house desk by Tull engineer Chris Ansom."
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Post by tullpress on Oct 4, 2019 16:36:25 GMT
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Post by jethrotull on Oct 5, 2019 5:55:38 GMT
Curious about a couple of things: * Is 'Broadford Bazaar' just the same as the Nightcap version (and Heavy Horses 2003 CD remaster), i.e. with the early 90s bamboo flute overdubs still there? Or has Steve Wilson cut them out, leaving just the original track as it was first recorded? It would be a bonus (for me, anyway) if the bamboo flute was removed. * Any info included on the source of the live show? Does it mention it was a soundboard recording? A Q1. Flute still on the track. Q2. Nederlands Congresgebouw, 16th March 1980. Quote from the book: "Recorded in stereo from the front of house desk by Tull engineer Chris Ansom." The Netherlands Congresgebouw SBD has been circulating for many years. The sound is great, and probably improved for this release, but the performance is pretty bland in my opinion. Tull was in a lull, with the powerful 70s concert tours behind and the band soon to break up, they seem to be looking for direction. Martin, who provided much of the excitement of a Tull concerts throughout the years seems to have lost a lot of his energy in this show. On the other hand, an off night for Tull even in 1980 was still better than just about any other band out there.
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Post by 10cars on Oct 5, 2019 9:21:32 GMT
Curious about a couple of things: * Is 'Broadford Bazaar' just the same as the Nightcap version (and Heavy Horses 2003 CD remaster), i.e. with the early 90s bamboo flute overdubs still there? Or has Steve Wilson cut them out, leaving just the original track as it was first recorded? It would be a bonus (for me, anyway) if the bamboo flute was removed. * Any info included on the source of the live show? Does it mention it was a soundboard recording? A I am a little bit puzzled about your "Broadford Bazaar" bamboo flute early 90s overdubs question. Do you have any information about that? I think I never read anything like that. For me it doesn`t sound like a bamboo flute at all. More like a tin whistle. Perhaps you confuse that with the flute overdubs of CD1 of Nightcap for the Chateau Disaster tapes? I think it was recorded that way in 1978.
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Post by tullpress on Oct 5, 2019 13:57:58 GMT
Just going by the sound of it -- that's not a penny whistle, not with that clear tone across the octaves.
Also the style of playing -- a whole bunch of slides going on, a technique IA didn't use until changing to open-hole flutes. They can be done on a penny whistle, and there's a slide or two on The Whistler, but, as mentioned, this isn't a penny whistle.
Sounds like a Patrick Olwell bamboo flute to me, same as on the title track of Roots to Branches (though a different key, I think).
So, given that IA did a whole load of flute overdubs on Nightcap, I'm assuming this is another example, in addition to the Chateau stuff.
I'm not sure if there's any official notes on what overdubs were added to what Nightcap tracks ... so I'm only going by what I'm hearing.
I'd be interested to know if anyone's heard different from official sources.
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Post by 10cars on Oct 5, 2019 17:17:39 GMT
Mmmh...that's funny, because by the sound of it I think this can't be a bamboo flute. Those high and clear registers at the end of the song...you can't reach that with a bamboo flute. And the embouchure doesn't sound like a transvers flute. And it sounds metallic, not wooden. I play the flute myself for nearly 50 years now and have also quite a lot of experience with historic flutes (wooden). But who knows, I can be wrong, but I thought you might have some printed evidence to verify your thesis.
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