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Post by nonrabbit on Aug 10, 2011 12:24:12 GMT
Didn't get into this album as much as I'd like to have had at the start however over the years I'm warming to the feel of it and the more I discover about Medieval Mystery Plays the more I see a connection. This Thread is after all, partly, about theories - Ian may laugh. i53.images obliterated by tinypic/zn3ias.jpg[/IMG] There were three types of vernacular dramas in Europe in Medieval times; Miracle Plays Morality Plays Mystery Plays www.luminarium.org/medlit/medievaldrama.htmThe Mystery Play would present the theme of Life /Death and the afterlife - as in APP; " These biblical style plays differ widely in content. Most contain episodes such as the Fall of Lucifer, the Creation and Fall of Man"The Mystery Play would sometimes include what was known as a Beast Epic; "... a type of fable in which human behaviour and weaknesses are subject to scrutiny by reflection into the animal kingdom."The Hare also played a significant part in early folklore eg in Anglo Saxon England; "In ancient Anglo-Saxon myth, Ostara is the personification of the rising sun, depicted with a hare's head or ears. She is associated with the spring, fertility and resurrection. The date of Easter is tied to the Moon..”The Hare would be depicted gazing/ looking up at the Moon awaiting the dawn and rebirth.
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Post by steelmonkey on Aug 10, 2011 14:55:02 GMT
A Passion Play heard once a day won't make your problems go away won't stop your lover from turning gay won't prevent your hair from turning gray But if you listen once a day you'll get wiser, along the way and when we meet, you'll have something to say.
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 14, 2011 7:55:14 GMT
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 14, 2011 8:17:59 GMT
Think this article that's been kicking around a while deserves to be included in this thread as it gives a personal explanation of the mood of the music/theatre and film world of the early 70's albeit a small part of it. Some considered it to be a bit too arty and up it's own jacksie nevertheless they were; "... odd and powerful things going on before and after the punk revolution which tap into that ‘other’ Britain of eccentricity, magic and, often, darkness..."and the eccentricity of for eg Python in humour and even some mainstream films eg Clockwork played up the mad and dark atmosphere of a section of English* art culture of the time.. "...the competing tensions in the quest for ‘Britishness’, ancient and modern, are nowhere better reflected than in the work of the rock band Jethro Tull..." and APP www.vertigomagazine.co.uk/showarticle.php?sel=bac&siz=1&id=1064* more of an English phenomenon rather that British?
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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 14, 2011 8:34:48 GMT
Passion Play trivia IA has the words to Hare Who Lost His Spectacles pasted inside this book when he performs it on the current solo tour
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 14, 2011 8:39:59 GMT
Has he really? hahaha he's turning right into the old eccentric who doesn't give a monkeys - just the way we thought he might i53.images obliterated by tinypic/311outl.jpg[/IMG]
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Post by steelmonkey on Sept 14, 2011 17:19:28 GMT
I love reading people's analysis of APP...in a prefct world, a required course...but anyway...why am i the only one who is stone cold sure that the line 'take the prize for instant pleasure' is 100% definitely about schoolboy group masturbation and fits in the context of a review of that era of the protagonist's life ( captain of the cricket team, public speaking (debate team?). I have read at least a dozen good analysis of APP including ministry and Cup of Wonder and everyone misses this obvious reference to every schoolboy's secret....we have almost all taken part in same sex jack off contests during junior high or high school...especially boarding school boys in Merry Olde...
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 14, 2011 18:30:49 GMT
I love reading people's analysis of APP...in a prefct world, a required course...but anyway...why am i the only one who is stone cold sure that the line 'take the prize for instant pleasure' is 100% definitely about schoolboy group masturbation and fits in the context of a review of that era of the protagonist's life ( captain of the cricket team, public speaking (debate team?). I have read at least a dozen good analysis of APP including ministry and Cup of Wonder and everyone misses this obvious reference to every schoolboy's secret....we have almost all taken part in same sex jack off contests during junior high or high school...especially boarding school boys in Merry Olde... possibly or just plain greed without thinking?
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Post by steelmonkey on Sept 14, 2011 19:40:32 GMT
' take the prize for instant pleasure' ( who came first ? )
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Post by ash on Sept 15, 2011 17:41:05 GMT
' take the prize for instant pleasure' ( who came first ? ) captain of the cricket team
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Post by steelmonkey on Sept 15, 2011 19:06:41 GMT
Think I don't know how they choose who gets to be captain ?
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 15, 2011 19:10:37 GMT
Think I don't know how they choose who gets to be captain ? who's the Daddy* *with the most sponduliks
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Post by ash on Sept 16, 2011 17:11:28 GMT
I'll never look at cricket in the same way ;D
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Post by A Passion Play on Words on Sept 21, 2011 3:31:10 GMT
This may or may not be relevant to this particular theorizing thread, but I'm consistently amazed at how well the music of this album fits the lyrics. The whole bit about "crowding in a different key" and "melodies decaying in sweet dissonance" is one of the most brilliant meldings of lyrics and music, to my ears at least.
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Post by bunkerfan on Sept 21, 2011 6:56:29 GMT
This may or may not be relevant to this particular theorizing thread, but I'm consistently amazed at how well the music of this album fits the lyrics. The whole bit about "crowding in a different key" and "melodies decaying in sweet dissonance" is one of the most brilliant meldings of lyrics and music, to my ears at least. I couldn't agree more. The whole album is pure genius.
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Post by steelmonkey on Sept 21, 2011 14:52:37 GMT
Not to mention counting out 'I would give two or three for...'
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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 21, 2011 15:51:30 GMT
Not to mention counting out 'I would give two or three for...' Or even "There was a rush along the Fulham Road . . . . "
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Post by bunkerfan on Sept 21, 2011 16:40:15 GMT
Not to mention counting out 'I would give two or three for...' Or even "There was a rush along the Fulham Road . . . . " There was a hush in the Passion Play.
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Post by steelmonkey on Sept 21, 2011 17:04:38 GMT
You'd have to go a long way to find a better word pun than 'tough are the soles/souls that tread the kinfe's edge'
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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 21, 2011 17:30:48 GMT
A Passion Play tour programme
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Post by A Passion Play on Words on Sept 21, 2011 20:11:28 GMT
"Where no-one has nothing and nothing is well-meaning fool" is another favorite of mine.
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Post by onewhiteduck on Oct 1, 2011 14:37:16 GMT
Flee the icy Lucifer. Oh he's an awful fellow What a mistake I didn't take a feather from his pillow. Here's the everlasting rub: neither am I good or bad. I'd give up my halo for a horn and the horn for the hat I once had.
Having a Passion Play blast in the house - thought I'd share some of the lyrics from their finest work with you !!
Pure Genius
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Post by steelmonkey on Oct 1, 2011 15:55:22 GMT
I'm only breathing there's life on my ceiling the flies there are sleeping...quietly....
Pure genius=scandalous understatement...you'd have to dip this piece of work in liquid $h1t to knock it down to 'pure genius'.
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Post by nonrabbit on Oct 2, 2011 10:53:33 GMT
I was thinking about Ian the lyricist and also how some of the lyrics just hit you at times when your going through ordinary life. Junior (last baby ) to leave the nest in a couple of years (probably) and the line; "get out and get what you can when your Mummy's at home a sleeping".. .. keep going round my head. On an more clinical note - do Anderson's lyrics stand on their own merit or is it the music that accompanies them and partly the memories and nostalgia that makes them special?
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 2, 2011 12:35:01 GMT
On an more clinical note - do Anderson's lyrics stand on their own merit or is it the music that accompanies them and partly the memories and nostalgia that makes them special? In my own case, the lyrics have to be with the music. As for nostalgia, I reckon in many cases it would be the situation when you first heard a particular song or album. Planet Rock have an interesting "request spot" on the weekend breakfast show called "Track One - Side One" where listeners write in and request the first track off an album and give details of when/where they heard it. I always have a "flashback" (if you can call it that) when I hear "My Sunday Feeling" and the memory about buying "This Was" and hearing it in full for the first time.
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Post by steelmonkey on Oct 2, 2011 16:00:18 GMT
The first I heard of APP was the 'overseer overture' section they played on the radio a few weeks before the concert in the summer of 1973, I was washing dishes at a busy restaurant for the princely sum of $1.50/hr which was helping me work backwards thru the Tull albums before TAAB and LITP which i already owned as well as money for live shows, other albums and , of course, coarse but effective marijuana purchased from a dude by the lake at washington park, $10 for a 'lid' to be rolled in decorative rolling papers (flags, dollars, psychedilia) and furtively consumed in local park hidey holes or detached garages.
Anyway...the first I heard of APP, I didn't like...told my fellow dishwasher that it sounded like a Leon Russel song !
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Post by nonrabbit on Oct 2, 2011 17:00:39 GMT
...All along the icy wastes there are faces smiling in the gloom. Roll up roll down, Feeling unwound? Step into the viewing room. The cameras were all around. We've got you taped; you're in the play.....if you take the word "icy" out and take them literally they conjure up, for me, for some strange reason the image of the road to Hell and approaching Kurtz's place and Hopper's character appearing out the blue i56.images obliterated by tinypic/ngx1eq.jpg[/IMG] ..well it does to me..
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Post by steelmonkey on Oct 2, 2011 19:08:10 GMT
The horror...the horror.
Friend and i cracked up when we saw this flick on German TV--dubbed...the first scene, when the guy looks out the window and says: Saigon---Verdammte Scheisse...had us rolling on the floor.
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Post by nonrabbit on Oct 2, 2011 21:41:23 GMT
The horror...the horror. Friend and i cracked up when we saw this flick on German TV--dubbed...the first scene, when the guy looks out the window and says: Saigon---Verdammte Scheisse...had us rolling on the floor. ;D and was the second thought APP?
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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 8, 2011 17:23:17 GMT
A Passion Play for the 21st century perhaps?
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