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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 9, 2008 11:44:32 GMT
I was thinking last week what Jethro Tull performances I'd like to see but are no longer in existance because of the policies of the TV/radio companies in the UK to wipe tapes for re-use. The early performances that come to mind are: "Firstimers", Granada TV, 24 May 1967. "Colour Me Pop", BBC TV (I think), broadcast October 1968. Recorded at a concert in aid of an Olympic appeal and called Olympop, staged at The Fairfield Halls, Croydon 29/9/1968. Tull were on the bill along with Alan Price, Spooky Tooth and others. Tull's appearance on Top Of The Pops performing "Living In The Past". And while I'm about it, the Derek Lawrence sessions when the band were called the John Evan Blues Band/Candy Coloured Rain/Jethro Toe etc. We've had 3 songs "Sunshine Day", "Aeroplane" and "Blues For The 18th" - where are the others?
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Post by cbwaltzer on Nov 22, 2008 1:24:13 GMT
Wow, cool - i was unaware of all those recordings. Be fantastic if they turned up in some moldy archive somewhere.
Though not lost in the sense that the tracks above are, i'd love to see 'Minstrels in the Red House' get remastered/officially released. There are a few minor problems with the recording (or at least, the recording i've heard), and even a bit with the playing - but nothing that should prevent it's inclusion on some future box set (or, possibly even better, on a future release of MitG).
It's amazing stuff in it's entirety, and it shouldn't be lost or relegated only to the world of boots.
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 22, 2008 16:46:09 GMT
Wow, cool - i was unaware of all those recordings. Be fantastic if they turned up in some moldy archive somewhere. Though not lost in the sense that the tracks above are, i'd love to see 'Minstrels in the Red House' get remastered/officially released. There are a few minor problems with the recording (or at least, the recording i've heard), and even a bit with the playing - but nothing that should prevent it's inclusion on some future box set (or, possibly even better, on a future release of MitG). It's amazing stuff in it's entirety, and it shouldn't be lost or relegated only to the world of boots. Not a chance of IA allowing the Minstrels in the Red House stuff being officially issued as he has stated that he does not like his song "Sailor" which is part of the Chateau D'Isaster set on this boot. Still as we know, the bootleggers got there first. For myself I'd like to see the Water's Edge material issued in pristine stereo, even if it was re-recorded by Dave Palmer as again I'm sure IA wouldn't want anything to do with it. As far as I know there are a handful of songs from pre Tull days that have not been issued, either because the tapes have been destroyed or lost. This is not a definitive list but included are: How Can You Work With Mama? (reputed to be the first ever IA composition) Straight No Chaser (Thelonius Monk) Take The Easy Way (IA) Possibly demo'd by the John Evan Band You Got Me (IA) From 21 Subtract (IA) On The 7th Side Of 9 (IA) Invasion Of Privacy (IA) + covers of The Man With The Weird Beard (Ray Charles) Sock It To 'Em J.B. (Rex Garvin) Apparently these were recorded as Candy Coloured Rain at the CBS Studios in London, September 1967. Tapes lost - bugger. A track that did get issued was "Blues For The 18th" (alternately called "Letting You Go") which was issued in 1991 on the CD "The Derek Lawrence Sampler". Greg Russo's book "Flying Colours" has a detailed listing of a lot of unreleased stuff and is interesting reading.
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Post by steelmonkey on Nov 22, 2008 17:05:09 GMT
Tull recording in 1067.?..geez dog, I knew they were old and I had a feeling they had the name before the farmer guy in 16 something!
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 22, 2008 17:44:10 GMT
Tull recording in 1067.?..geez dog, I knew they were old and I had a feeling they had the name before the farmer guy in 16 something! S**t, sorry about that. Should have read 1767. Have modified the entry. Something to do with the lack of blood in the alcohol stream.
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Post by cbwaltzer on Nov 22, 2008 17:58:43 GMT
Not a chance of IA allowing the Minstrels in the Red House stuff being officially issued as he has stated that he does not like his song "Sailor" which is part of the Chateau D'Isaster set on this boot. Arg! I didn't know. Well, i guess i can always hope he changes his mind (or that some talented industrious bootlegger puts in the work on a remastering) For myself I'd like to see the Water's Edge material issued in pristine stereo, even if it was re-recorded by Dave Palmer Seconded! That would be fantastic
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 22, 2008 18:13:09 GMT
Not a chance of IA allowing the Minstrels in the Red House stuff being officially issued as he has stated that he does not like his song "Sailor" which is part of the Chateau D'Isaster set on this boot. Arg! I didn't know. Well, i guess i can always hope he changes his mind (or that some talented industrious bootlegger puts in the work on a remastering) For myself I'd like to see the Water's Edge material issued in pristine stereo, even if it was re-recorded by Dave Palmer Seconded! That would be fantastic If my memory serves me well, the Chateau D'Isaster material on the "Red House" boot is originally from a Chrysalis Records in-house cassette sent to interested parties when considering the content for the Nightcap 2cd album. What I understand from that is that this version of the Chateau recordings is only ever going to be of poor quality as witness the boot CD and most probably would be difficult to remaster, unfortunately.
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Post by steelmonkey on Nov 22, 2008 21:14:07 GMT
99% of the time, when ian thinks something isn't good enough...but relents, like much of Nightcap..it's tremendous...but what i have heard of Sailor, some of it in the background of the You Tube bit with Tull playing cards at the Chateau, is indeed pretty wretched...I gotta get my ears on that Red House boot stuff, however, looks like it's got some very good, very rare stuff from an underserved period. Is it a live Requeim or more semi-studio stuff like the Monte Carlo stuff.
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Post by cbwaltzer on Nov 22, 2008 23:07:51 GMT
99% of the time, when ian thinks something isn't good enough...but relents, like much of Nightcap..it's tremendous...but what i have heard of Sailor, some of it in the background of the You Tube bit with Tull playing cards at the Chateau, is indeed pretty wretched...I gotta get my ears on that Red House boot stuff, however, looks like it's got some very good, very rare stuff from an underserved period. Is it a live Requeim or more semi-studio stuff like the Monte Carlo stuff. I believe they are one and the same (?). I've been so curious as to the history of the recording, as i only recently stumbled across it, and know nothing of it's origin (or knew, i should say, in light of maddogfagin's info). I thought the minstrel/cold wind performances were the abbreviated intros from the 20 yr set, but wasn't sure. The version of requiem seemed to be - i don't know - Ian singing over the same backing tracks as eventually appeared on the album? I don't know. Been very curious as to the whole story on this one. Maddogfagin - do you remember where you came across the information you relayed? I'd love to read more. As grateful as i am for Ian's perfectionism, i wish he would have mercy on us poor ol' fans and just give us....everything (lol...ok, perhaps that's a bit unreasonable....but still....)! wow! never seen that.....off to search
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 23, 2008 12:31:58 GMT
99% of the time, when ian thinks something isn't good enough...but relents, like much of Nightcap..it's tremendous...but what i have heard of Sailor, some of it in the background of the You Tube bit with Tull playing cards at the Chateau, is indeed pretty wretched...I gotta get my ears on that Red House boot stuff, however, looks like it's got some very good, very rare stuff from an underserved period. Is it a live Requeim or more semi-studio stuff like the Monte Carlo stuff. I believe they are one and the same (?). I've been so curious as to the history of the recording, as i only recently stumbled across it, and know nothing of it's origin (or knew, i should say, in light of maddogfagin's info). I thought the minstrel/cold wind performances were the abbreviated intros from the 20 yr set, but wasn't sure. The version of requiem seemed to be - i don't know - Ian singing over the same backing tracks as eventually appeared on the album? I don't know. Been very curious as to the whole story on this one. Maddogfagin - do you remember where you came across the information you relayed? I'd love to read more. As grateful as i am for Ian's perfectionism, i wish he would have mercy on us poor ol' fans and just give us....everything (lol...ok, perhaps that's a bit unreasonable....but still....)! wow! never seen that.....off to search I first saw the Red House bootleg mentioned in A New Day somewhile back when the editor, Dave Rees, briefly mentioned that he had heard the original tape on a cassette when he was assisting Chrysalis with putting the 1993 25th anniversary stuff together and he surmised that it originated from one of these cassettes. I've also seen the Red House boot as Live in Europe with a picture of IA and Jeffrey HH on the cover although it is the same recording. Since then I've also been to Laufi's site and he states: Minstrels In The Red House CD Label: homemade Location: Monte Carlo, France, Buffalo Date: 4.75/1972/9.75 Source: FM, SB, Sound: 6-8 Time: 66:03 Sleeve: pic Ian with saxophone ______ Tracklist:
BBC RADIO MONTE CARLO Minstrel In The Gallery Requiem Aqualung
CHATEAU D'ISASTER: Intro (unreleased) Scenario Audition Skating Away (diff. Version) If You've Never Been A Sailor (unreleased) No Rehearsal (complete ending)
BUFFALO 1975: To Cry You A Song A New Day Yesterday/Flute/Bourée Teacher _____ Remark: Incredible ! After we all thought, that with 'Nightcap' the complete 'Chateau D'Isaster' tapes were released, with this CD we know we were wrong! Tracks 5-10 are a different 22 mins of the session, incl 2 unreleased songs and 'Skating Away' in a different version. Tracks 1-4- is the famous BBC session from Monte Carlo 1975 (complete!) in good quality. Filler for the CD is some nice audience stuff from Buffalo 1975
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Post by nonrabbit on Nov 23, 2008 15:17:26 GMT
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Post by cbwaltzer on Nov 23, 2008 19:01:36 GMT
^ seconded and thirded! So many amazing clips.....just unbelievable ------- Wow maddogfagin - thanks a ton. Don't know how i missed all that, but i'm glad you didn't - thanks very much for posting it here
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Post by Pantagruel on Nov 23, 2008 22:35:09 GMT
When Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention went at "Colour Me Pop" the video was stored. There is a 30 minute version (incomplete I think, because it cuts off) in poor quality, but there's also a very good 9 minute version which was broadcasted in 1993, as part of a documentary (this is why it was broadcasted incomplete). So if The Mothers of Invention footage has survived maybe the Jethro Tull one has too!
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 24, 2008 9:15:56 GMT
When Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention went at "Colour Me Pop" the video was stored. There is a 30 minute version (incomplete I think, because it cuts off) in poor quality, but there's also a very good 9 minute version which was broadcasted in 1993, as part of a documentary (this is why it was broadcasted incomplete). So if The Mothers of Invention footage has survived maybe the Jethro Tull one has too! Not sure that the Tull "Colour Me Pop" has survived. The BBC here in the UK had the annoying policy at that time of wiping video tape for re-use for other TV programmes and as a consequence lost a great deal of important material. Apart from any early Tull items, they wiped a Bob Dylan performance in a play (the details escape me at the moment), various shows such as early "Dad's Army" and "Dr Who" episodes and a lot which is still lost and cannot be found. The only saving grace is that the BBC exported programmes to other countries who in some cases had the good sense to keep the video tapes and subsequently they've been handed back to the BBC. This was the certainly the case with a few other TV programmes and even some audio recordings that they exported on transcription discs. Having said all that, many audio programmes recorded "off-air" by enthusiastic listeners have been handed back to the BBC and this was certainly the case with the Beatles anthology issued a few years back. As early video recorders were only bought by a rich few back then due to the cost, I wouldn't think many early TV programmes survived. If you visit en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_missing_episodesyou'll see the enormous effort some people have made to find the "Dr Who" episodes and it also details the history of missing programmes. So early Tull items could still turn up eventually but don't hold your breath
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Post by cbwaltzer on Nov 24, 2008 20:40:33 GMT
^ very interesting, thx maddog
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 2, 2009 8:02:06 GMT
The group was called Tallis. Formed in 1980 with David/Dee Palmer, Barrie Barlow and John Evan + others. Dave Rees was hoping to release it back in 2001 (for charity) and one track was released on "It's For You", a cover mount CD with A New Day. The track was titled "Disturbed Air". I expect that, and this is only my honest opinion, that animosity between former band members reared its ugly head and the release was shelved. I'll attempt to find out more - if I'm successful I'll report back, most likely in the "holy grail" thread.Interesting reply from Martin Webb informing me that Barrie Barlow wasn't in Tallis. All the info I can find at the moment is from an interview in AND issue #46 with David Palmer. Quote re. Tallis ". . . .Then John Evans, Bill Worrall, David Bristow, myself, another keyboard player and a drummer got together for intense rehersals, got the stuff really cooking and did the gig. We then went into the studio and recorded an album. . . . . ." Barrie Barlow formed a band called Tandoori Cassette (if my memory serves me well) after the reshuffle of 1980 but it seems it may have not got off the ground. Personnel in the band included Zal Cleminson, Charlie Tumahai, and Ronnie Leahy. I've yet to dig out my copy of "Rock Family Trees" which is lurking somewhere in the loft/garage/under sundry other books but if anyone has any further info please post here ;D
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 8, 2009 12:06:00 GMT
One of the songs which the embryonic Tull (under the name(s) of The John Evan Smash/Candy Coloured Rain) recorded at the CBS studios in September 1967 was the song "The Man With The Weird Beard". This is possibly the original version
The other cover that they did at that recording session was "Sock It To 'Em J.B.". Again, this is possibly the original
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Post by nonrabbit on Nov 8, 2009 12:23:42 GMT
One of the songs which the embryonic Tull (under the name(s) of The John Evan Smash/Candy Coloured Rain) recorded at the CBS studios in September 1967 was the song "The Man With The Weird Beard". This is possibly the original version The other cover that they did at that recording session was "Sock It To 'Em J.B.". Again, this is possibly the original They're brilliant! I didn't know that!
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Post by maddogfagin on Nov 8, 2009 12:38:25 GMT
As a rider to the two covers the early band(s) recorded, Dave Rees, in his book Minstrels . . . . , has this quote from Neil Smith "Ian Anderson showed me the cord sequence of a Jimmy Smith song called "The Cat", and I just played along and improvised".This is Jimmy Smith's version It's not on The John Evan Band Live '66 CD so I'll guess it was not recorded in the studio, but who really knows? Tracks 1 Twine Time 4:11 2 Hold On I'm Coming 3:57 3 Let The Good Times Roll 3:25 4 Don't Fight It 3:29 5 Respect 3:09 6 Water 4:00 7 Everything's Gonna Be Alright 3:23 8 Mr. Pitiful 3:17 9 Boot-Leg 2:59 10 Stupidity 2:55 11 Pink Champagne 4:41 12 I Want You 2:00 13 Wade In The Water 3:37 14 Work Song 3:49 15 Shake 3:34 16 Twine Time 4:12 17 Last Night 0:50 18 Straight No Chaser 1:18 Release date: 19. November 1990 (UK) Recording location/date: October, 1966 at Casterton, and Summer '66 at John Evans' house ("Straight No Chaser" only) Production: Neil Smith and Adrian Wagner Cover Concept by: Dave Rees Musicians: Ian Anderson (vocals) John Evans (organ) Bo Ward (bass) Ritchie Dharma (drums) Neil Smith (guitar) Tony Wilkinson (sax) Neil Valentine (sax) Chris Riley (guitar on "Straight No Chaser")
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 19, 2010 19:27:52 GMT
It must have been sometime in 1989 that I met up with Dave Rees when discussions about a Tull Convention were in progress. In the course of the afternoon he played me a heavily edited cassette tape of four pre Tull songs that he had received from Don Read. These songs were produced by Derek Lawrence and featured music that was recorded, as far as I'm aware, at the same time as Aeroplane. Only one of these songs has ever seen the light of day, namely Blues For The 18th (named on the cassette tape as Letting You Go) which was issued by Line Records as part of a series called The Derek Lawrence Sessions. So for the benefit of Forum members, here are the words for the other three songs which were on that tape as published in A New Day issue #21. All songs were written by Ian Anderson. From A New Day: THE JOHN EVAN BAND SONGBOOK As described, the band made several trips into the studio, but sadly only 'Aeroplane' has ever seen the light of day. However, four other songs have been preserved, just, on tapes dug up by Don Read and Jan, a friend of Chris Riley's. Their quality (damp- damaged, stretched) would appear to preclude commercial release, but if we can find better copies.. .well, watch this space. 'How Can You Work With Mama?' is a jazzy footstomper (with same superb organ). The others are slower jazz-blues, with 'Letting You Go' sounding the most Tull-like. including what sounds suspiciously like a flute.
TAKE THE EASY WAY
Life is full of troubles. They got it cut wrong. Got so many reasons It's hard to name just one. I gotta take the easy way, squeeze and stay In the one small space of make-believe.
I try to tell my story. It's hard to find the words. I try to talk of loving, Make love, it's to the birds. I gotta take the easy way, squeeze and stay In the one small space of make-believe.
Couldn't write a thing, now. Stuff that mattered can't be found. 'Cos my life ain't nothing To write my story round. I gotta take the easy way, squeeze and stay In the one small space of make-believe
HOW CAN YOU WORK WITH MAMA?
Stop listening, turn a blind eye, Keep her away from me. 'Cos Mama put the wrong ideas in your mind. Now you know you ain't what you thought you'd be.
Mama said that you're gonna be her hunter, Mama said that you're going to the sun, ooh. Mama said, then I stopped and I wondered, How can you work with Mama?
Stop listening, turn a blind eye, Keep her away from me. 'Cos Mama put the wrong ideas in your mind. Now you know you ain't what you thought you'd be.
Mark it now, as a man to a brother, Mama's words were just spoken in fun, ooh. You look around you, and you will discover, How can you work with Mama?
YOU GOT ME
You got me. In the shade of misery. You got me, got me blind so I can't see. In a while. The tables turn, Your love will burn for me. For me.
You got me. where I can't get over you. You got me. so I can't think what to do. But then one day The tables turn, Your love will burn for me For me.
You tell me that your mind's on other things. You tell me that your love is broken wings, But jealousy Will come to set The best man free. I've got you, I've got you.Additional information regarding A New Day and how to subscribe to the magazine can be found at www.onlineonair.com/andr/index.html
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Post by maddogfagin on Mar 21, 2010 9:31:59 GMT
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Post by maddogfagin on Apr 17, 2010 7:41:01 GMT
No problem. We don't keep exclusives to ourselves here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2010 20:19:12 GMT
No problem. We don't keep exclusives to ourselves here. Very good. Cool to see Tull on the Apple label. Any more Apples Corp. Tull?
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Post by maddogfagin on Apr 19, 2010 6:54:15 GMT
No problem. We don't keep exclusives to ourselves here. Very good. Cool to see Tull on the Apple label. Any more Apples Corp. Tull? Very strange one that. Even the guy who sent me the scan hadn't seen one before and he's an avid Tull record collector (would put very one else to shame as I reckon he's got most overseas issues). I would guess it's an acetate/demo from the reissue from 1976, and Chrysalis oursourced the pressing to EMI and used the Apple Corp as the handiest outfit to master it. I was re-reading a Record Collector article on the Pink Floyd collector who's produced a book illustrating the various worldwide Floyd record labels - now there's a thought for some Tull entrepreneur to get everyone involved in a similar one for Tull but, would it sell?
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Post by maddogfagin on Apr 19, 2010 14:39:10 GMT
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Post by maddogfagin on Apr 22, 2010 17:22:15 GMT
Couple of "cd singles" worth buying if you see them on ebay or elsewhere. BLAW - (radio edit 3.28") One track promo from Fuel 2000 "With You There To Help Me" "Someday The Sun Won't Shine For You" Both recorded live in Europe in 2003. Roadrunner Fan Edition, Cat.#RR Promo 743
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Post by maddogfagin on Apr 26, 2010 12:23:58 GMT
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