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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 7, 2011 18:35:38 GMT
I lived in Goudhurst, in the Weald Of Kent, back in the early sixties and this slide show from the BBC website certainly brings back some memories. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14039199I'd recommend it as a place to visit if anyone's ever on a holiday in the south east of England.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 9, 2011 16:34:18 GMT
This time yesterday I was up in Glencoe and had to leave early cause I was totally overwhelmed by the place and not necessarily in a good way - call myself a Scotswoman
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 9, 2011 16:39:01 GMT
I'm reading Christopher Hitchen's memoirs...boy, England is a bizarre place...and the stuff the rich boys do in private school...i mean, the people who end up as leaders on your inbred island..shudder...
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 9, 2011 16:41:46 GMT
I'm reading Christopher Hitchen's memoirs...boy, England is a bizarre place...and the stuff the rich boys do in private school...i mean, the people who end up as leaders on your inbred island..shudder... Hows Arnie doing these days?
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 9, 2011 17:26:01 GMT
Golfing, smoking cigars, mounting the hired help...nothing new...but windbag Betty Ford dropped dead...I guess you can't just say no to the grim reaper.
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Post by tullist on Jul 9, 2011 19:24:05 GMT
O man Patti u know that struck a chord of envy in me. Glencoe is a place that appears brooding just by its physical nature, you can almost sense that something horrific happened there, and like most places on the planet, it did! Additionally via a Edinburgh friend I know they were getting serious rain in the east yesterday, but in the Highlands that can look way cool and absolutely add to the somewhat ominous nature of the appearance of beautiful Glencoe. Btw folks, a next door neighbor came up w 2 free seats for me to the "free" Tull show in Chicago last week, but there had been so many reviews I chose not to bother. Saw them w my closest living friend who I had seen them with in 72, 5,92 and 93. The 93 show we got booted from because I got caught burnin one, god the shame. Anyway, Tull shows are more notable to me when they are less than excellent, say merely very good, and this was not one of those nights, as I perceive the entire North American tour was, it was full balls excellence start to finish, so...standard issue. I maintain that his best singing since the late seventies or so has been done in the years late nineties through now, wrongfully maligned by many, though admittedly not the golden warblings of the Passion Play or Baker St Muse set. But a couple things that were not mentioned, and one could not have been because only the second Chicago show had the endurance test that was America to sit through. But first the lighting no one had mentioned, and quite inventive and subtle it was. Even at their popularity peak light shows, happily, were never Tull's way, though the use of that strobe light and the late news flash on the TAAB remains a happy memory. But there was a very subtle and interesting use of various colored lighting throughout the show, will be interesting, if they do indeed perform the "entire" Brick next year, if the strobe and telephone gags will be reinvented, can never see Ian doing the same thing twice. But to America, who admittedly I was never a fan of, though one of my most vivid memories of the acid drenched spring, summer and fall of 72 is how often I heard Horse With No Name as America I believe along w Jim Croce, Gordon Lightfoot led the way into nowhere in the post Beatle, Jimi apocalypse for R and R. They performed all their "hits", must have been about 6 which I nearly could have endured, but also required was about 10 of their newer pieces from which my friend and I both got the notion that these guys were very able bodied agents of the Devil, that rather than ape men singing in bellowing voices before crucifixes ala Heavy Metal, Beeazlebub's more potent operators will come in the likes of America, who's less familiar material had the energy and character of much of what one hear's in "Christian" rock, which often strikes my heart as being well removed from much to do with divine inspiration. And man my knee was hurtin listening to those bastards.
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Post by tullist on Jul 9, 2011 19:35:01 GMT
Being loosely related to the business she was in Bernie, maybe you have a different and more informed opinion of this woman than I do. But my perception is she did alot of commendable work with her famous clinic, my only concern would be that it is not the province only of the rich and famous. I know Jerry failed in there in his final weeks, or at least had decided it was not the proper environment for him before heading north to that Serenity Knolls place. Anyway, I have a place in my heart for Betty Ford, who also deserves some credits in the breast cancer area, whereas I have no place without effort for the actual instigant of the just say no policy, Nancy Raygun.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 9, 2011 23:08:23 GMT
Denverites of my generation harbor bitter feelings vs the Fords...while the kennnedy clan had the sense to ocupy Aspen...an island far from and having nothing to do with denver, the fords always took ski trips to vail...near denver...and many a weekend or weekday playing hooky, we would plump up our hard earneds for a lift ticket only to learn after the fact that 1/3 to 1/2 of the mountain was closed off and reserved for Ford family and secret service only...Looking back, it's amazing that betty Ford kept her thirsty secret for so long....what family of a politican could have possibly been investigated more thouroughly and vetted for closet skeletons than that of the ordinary Michigan politician chosen to fill the place of Spiro Agnew by the side of richard Nixon?
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Post by tullist on Jul 10, 2011 6:01:00 GMT
Well with respect Bernie, as I understand it, and this is merely what my television told me, her drinking and drugging were a direct result of the apparent physical pain, probably mental too, of her breast cancer. I separate her and indeed her husband to some extent from their politics, as such as I know of them I found to be highly likable people, and I know Jerry Ford was one tough SOB but a man who could be reasoned with. And no I have never voted Republican, have never exactly voted Democrat, have always voted who is not Republican. I definitely voted for Obama, and to some extent Clinton, with a passion level I felt for the Kennedy's. (And again folks, the best political book of any stripe I have read in the past decade is "Brothers, The Hidden Story of the Kennedy Years.") But as hard reality sets in....basically brass balls of the level of JFK and his brother RFK are only handed once or twice a century and to this point for all his mighty gifts for presentation Obama has tended towards being a shill at a very difficult time. Having said that I have high hopes for a second term when I believe more of his real colors will be revealed, those that we in his home base of Chicago saw when he was a local organizer, state rep, state senator, U.S. senator, President of the United States. Maybe I am too long removed from Colorado but my memory has Vail and Aspen to be separated by only 70 miles or so. While I know both families were highly athletic, I had not recalled the Kennedy's traipsing in Aspen though I am hardly surprised. One of Bobby's boys was killed skiing but my ancient memory of it has it having occured in Vermont or closer to home base, and of course the over 50's remember Hyannis Port and their touch football games on the lawn. Another of his boys, Robert Jr, is on Air America or whatever they're calling it now at weekends, sounding disturbingly like his Grandma Rose but otherwise making highly salient points that I'm sure would do his Father, Uncles, Aunts etc, very proud. The reason I go off so hard on the Kennedy's is the mention in your last line of "....what family of a politican could have possibly been investigated more thouroughly and vetted for closet skeletons than that of the ordinary Michigan politician chosen to fill the place of Spiro Agnew by the side of richard Nixon?" Obviously, to me anyway, the answer to that is Kennedy. Indeed I doubt if the Ford's were "investigated" much at all in comparitive terms. He was, after all, "Oatmeal Man", so coined by Gil Scott Heron. And more recent events like the never ending investigation into President Obama's birth certificate or religion shows where the real concern is. The investigations are for the envelope pushers, and rare indeed would it be to find one of these in the area of Republicans.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 10, 2011 9:49:25 GMT
O man Patti u know that struck a chord of envy in me. Glencoe is a place that appears brooding just by its physical nature, you can almost sense that something horrific happened there, and like most places on the planet, it did! Additionally via a Edinburgh friend I know they were getting serious rain in the east yesterday, but in the Highlands that can look way cool and absolutely add to the somewhat ominous nature of the appearance of beautiful Glencoe... Btw folks, a next door neighbor came up w 2 free seats for me to the "free" Tull show in Chicago last week, but there had been so many reviews I chose not to bother. Saw them w my closest living friend who I had seen them with in 72, 5,92 and 93. The 93 show we got booted from because I got caught burnin one, god the shame. Anyway, Tull shows are more notable to me when they are less than excellent, say merely very good, and this was not one of those nights, as I perceive the entire North American tour was, it was full balls excellence start to finish, so...standard issue. I maintain that his best singing since the late seventies or so has been done in the years late nineties through now, wrongfully maligned by many, though admittedly not the golden warblings of the Passion Play or Baker St Muse set. But a couple things that were not mentioned, and one could not have been because only the second Chicago show had the endurance test that was America to sit through. But first the lighting no one had mentioned, and quite inventive and subtle it was. Even at their popularity peak light shows, happily, were never Tull's way, though the use of that strobe light and the late news flash on the TAAB remains a happy memory. But there was a very subtle and interesting use of various colored lighting throughout the show, will be interesting, if they do indeed perform the "entire" Brick next year, if the strobe and telephone gags will be reinvented, can never see Ian doing the same thing twice. But to America, who admittedly I was never a fan of, though one of my most vivid memories of the acid drenched spring, summer and fall of 72 is how often I heard Horse With No Name as America I believe along w Jim Croce, Gordon Lightfoot led the way into nowhere in the post Beatle, Jimi apocalypse for R and R. They performed all their "hits", must have been about 6 which I nearly could have endured, but also required was about 10 of their newer pieces from which my friend and I both got the notion that these guys were very able bodied agents of the Devil, that rather than ape men singing in bellowing voices before crucifixes ala Heavy Metal, Beeazlebub's more potent operators will come in the likes of America, who's less familiar material had the energy and character of much of what one hear's in "Christian" rock, which often strikes my heart as being well removed from much to do with divine inspiration. And man my knee was hurtin listening to those bastards. ;D ;D I had an America album - can't remember which one probably the one with all the main singles on it and I do hear myself singing along to a long forgotten song of theres on occasions but then I did like them for the sound of "early 70's US of A" great 2004 Live verson of Sandman Altogether "I understand you've been running from the man....." ;D I miss Dan Peek's vocals they were one of the distinctions of the band. Back to Glencoe I have never liked it and it's really weird I can only just drive into the start of it after Bridge of Orchy and then I panic it's more to do with it being a narrow glen surrounded on either side by these huge ominous mountains than any left over gloominess or feelings of the massacre besides I never hang around to find out if thats true or not. The weather was gorgeous on Friday and Loch Lomond was sparkling
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 11, 2011 0:23:45 GMT
Outbound on vacation...back next friday
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 11, 2011 7:39:01 GMT
Outbound on vacation...back next friday Have a great vacation Bernie.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 11, 2011 7:59:00 GMT
Outbound on vacation...back next friday Have a great vacation Bernie. ditto have a great holiday Bernie
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Post by tullist on Jul 23, 2011 16:58:41 GMT
I saw it Patti! Somebody here, there or I think over at the Folk Forum linked that a few years ago. Hard to go wrong with the Dead in 72 IF you are inclined. This time I am favoriting it, especially enjoy the weather related repartee between Bob and Jerry. These are Cali boys remember, so the north England version of summer may have been an eye opener. Midgies while dosed would not be fun, and those midgies would be in for a surprise. Wish I could show folks the magic door into the equally compelling world of the Grateful Dead, I'm afraid it's rare, if not unheard of, without having first hand experience, and then preferably in a year prior to 88. Often the music was as good, but the extraordinary camraderie of their audience was beginning to be stained by the influences of MTV, Metallica and malls forcing there way in in great numbers, ignoring and unaware of any of the behavioral policies.Basically staking out their dumbass party on dude claim, with the DEA tight behind. Thanks dude. I say this because prior to 83, very late in the Dead game, I perceived them as something not too far removed from the band I saw opening for Tull the other night, the gentle yet devil friendly America. This guy 5 years younger first brought me to see Weir's band with Billy Cobham on drums, probably the only reason I gave it a chance, and I thought they SUCKED. And I did not like the Deadheads, probably thought about hitting one. Somehow he got me to go to Madison Wisconsin in June, same impression of the Deadhead hippie chicks outside, a spitting image of the girls I had gone to "free school" with in 72, in clothing if not appearance, and ever so "hippie." I hated them. In I went, dosed by my friend, within 5 minutes to the most humbling experience of my life. Like stepping in on a tribal conversation that had been going on for 18 years prior to my arrival, with a musical discussion that would make the likes of John Coltrane, Sun Ra, Art Ensemble of Chicago, Miles Davis, not to mention Merle Haggard, Buddy Holly, Howlin Wolf, or for that matter Bedouin tribesman playing trance ritual music, say, right this way brother. And the way some of those folks were dancing, knew I had stepped into something very high indeed. Saw them many many times without any kind o f "medicine", its not like you have to smoke pot or trip, but I kind of think it would be a mistake to not see them tripping at least once, it was the main original impetus, and never lost its sacramental quality within their world. I find it difficult to believe that in the history of humankind, on hundreds of occasions probably crossing 1000, that there have been more blessed congregations of between 2000 to 400000 people. Heaven on earth crossed my mind more than once. Such a long story.
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Post by tullist on Jul 23, 2011 17:01:40 GMT
O my goodness, so very sad to hear this. She is damn nearly the only performer in the mainstream that I have much respect for, other than Bjork. Don't normally like to hear people aping other people's styles, but some song of hers, (its not like I was going out and buying her cd's)so closely mirrored Lady Day, Billie Holliday, that I knew this was a talent to be reckoned with. And the few other times I heard her had to admit, you got talent and style honey. Sorry it took you down just like Lady Day.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 23, 2011 17:03:25 GMT
O my goodness, so very sad to hear this. She is damn nearly the only performer in the mainstream that I have much respect for, other than Bjork. Don't normally like to hear people aping other people's styles, but some song of hers, (its not like I was going out and buying her cd's)so closely mirrored Lady Day, Billie Holliday, that I knew this was a talent to be reckoned with. And the few other times I heard her had to admit, you got talent and style honey. Sorry it took you down just like Lady Day. I just edited that post as it's not confirmed yet how she died however she had demons and addictions and they got in the way of her incredible talent.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 23, 2011 17:06:37 GMT
"..I find it difficult to believe that in the history of humankind, on hundreds of occasions probably crossing 1000, that there have been more blessed congregations of between 2000 to 400000 people. Heaven on earth crossed my mind more than once. Such a long story. "
Great way of putting it Ray not only a long story but such a great memory.
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Post by tullist on Jul 23, 2011 17:06:54 GMT
Did not even read the post Patti, since she is big time, I'm sure there will be more than I want to know during the next 24 hours. I am afraid in her case it is sort of assumed it was a passing from behavioral circumstances.
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Post by tullist on Jul 23, 2011 17:24:43 GMT
Have to recommend this one from that same site. Tale of some guy who took 2 tabs of 72 acid, likely very potent, usually half of one was enough, and his meeting with Captain Beefheart. A different aspect of Beefheart than the one encountered by Ian. In this encounter he is basically a saint. Don't recall having ever taken as much as this guy did, but can definitely relate to his single minded need to get to the exit, and not let anything else enter his mind, lest he forget what he was intending to do. Unfortunately he left before the Dead played, hours later his mindset likely would have been perfect to see them, and then in 1972! www.ukrockfestivals.com/beefencounter.html
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 24, 2011 4:25:05 GMT
LSD at GD, something i did first on 12-31-76 in SF and last in Feb of 81, I think in san rafael, with between 10 and 15 times between, will remain some of the most intense, spiritual, memorable,vivid, communal and worthwhile experiences in my life. Surely my turn participating in an authentic, religious type , sum far greater than the parts, tail wagging the dog, cosmic event(s)
Tripped twice for Tull...once in 77, once in 79....didn't like it...contrast with GD audience too blatant and lack of loving energy flow between band and audience too stark. Spent no small part of those gigs feeling that Ian, given the chance, would surely HATE me.....bummer, no ? Audience/Tull vibe greatly improved over the years as time has mellowed all involved.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 30, 2011 8:04:02 GMT
Don't listen to the philistines Fearne Wear your Tull with pride i54.images obliterated by tinypic/ive4p3.jpg[/IMG]
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2011 17:30:16 GMT
Those with SHtv memberships please help the cause... ;D Favorite #1 Album of 1973www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=259273&page=3Tell us / is it you who is here for our good cheer? Or / are we here / for the glory / for the story / for the gory satisfaction of telling you how absolutely awful you really are.
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Post by nonrabbit on Aug 10, 2011 19:17:41 GMT
On a lighter note, if it's possible, on the UK riots I read two tweets that raised a slight smile. One was from the manager of Waterstone's bookshop when asked what he thought if any looters raided his shop; "Well if they take any books they might learn something" The other one from an American; "If you want us Americans to stop thinking you English are all quaint and proper - stop clearing up your own riots"
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Post by nonrabbit on Aug 12, 2011 15:18:38 GMT
Here's a thought One more studio album- smallish tour 2012 - TAAB anniversary album - major world tour 2013 and......... i55.images obliterated by tinypic/2q9gp68.jpg[/IMG] retirement in 2013 - 40 years after he first thought about it nawww can't see it
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Post by nonrabbit on Aug 17, 2011 11:33:09 GMT
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Post by tullist on Aug 17, 2011 18:19:20 GMT
Glasgow similar to Chicago? Other than the grittiness and humor of its residents I would not see the similarity. While I do believe Chicago architecturally takes a backseat to no American city, with apologies to Boston and San Francisco and maybe some of the smaller ones like Charleston, and while in Glasgow a few times I cannot claim to having done any visiting, merely a transit point, I am surprised to hear that connection. More likely would be one of the east coast cities like Philly, who's history at least extends into the 17th century, whereas Chicago, though it has a birth date of like 1812, was not really a city of substance til more like 1850, and many of her greatest structures, (having had nearly all of the original consumed by the Chicago fire in 1871)date from between 1890 and 1935. Although one of her greatest architects, Daniel Burnham, I believe was a Scotsman. 4 great, and I do mean great books about Chicago, The Everleigh Club, Capone, the Devil in the White City, and Accardo (Tony Accardo, aka "Big Tuna", the head of the Chicago "outfit" for sixty years), and a neighbor growing up . I do love my city more than can be measured, for all its profound flaws, not the least of which is very literally being mob run up until about 20 years ago, doubtless the most lawless major city in the world's history, though I guess Gomorrah would make the grade.
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Post by nonrabbit on Aug 17, 2011 19:35:49 GMT
Glasgow similar to Chicago? Other than the grittiness and humor of its residents I would not see the similarity. While I do believe Chicago architecturally takes a backseat to no American city, with apologies to Boston and San Francisco and maybe some of the smaller ones like Charleston, and while in Glasgow a few times I cannot claim to having done any visiting, merely a transit point, I am surprised to hear that connection. More likely would be one of the east coast cities like Philly, who's history at least extends into the 17th century, whereas Chicago, though it has a birth date of like 1812, was not really a city of substance til more like 1850, and many of her greatest structures, (having had nearly all of the original consumed by the Chicago fire in 1871)date from between 1890 and 1935. Although one of her greatest architects, Daniel Burnham, I believe was a Scotsman. 4 great, and I do mean great books about Chicago, The Everleigh Club, Capone, the Devil in the White City, and Accardo (Tony Accardo, aka "Big Tuna", the head of the Chicago "outfit" for sixty years), and a neighbor growing up . I do love my city more than can be measured, for all its profound flaws, not the least of which is very literally being mob run up until about 20 years ago, doubtless the most lawless major city in the world's history, though I guess Gomorrah would make the grade. Oh ho big topic too big to condense into a small post but I'll try As you know I've never crossed the puddle so I can't talk from experience however daughter, on her gap year, visited Chicago a few years back and she saw some similarities to Glasgow incidently she loved Chicago, in fact, it was her most fav city for the nightlife she also loved Philly for the architecture and the vibe and apart from her jaw dropping reaction on entering NY for the first time where she telephoned me to say "Mum! you have got to get here some day" she was most impressed with all the cities she visited. On subject, the film makers chose Glasgow because of it's city centre grid structure similar to many US cities and also Glasgow has a wealth of unique architecture. As well as Victorian and Edwardian buildings it also "embraced modern American architecture" modern being 1920's /30's... www.scotcities.com/carnegie/american.htmespecially if you scroll down that page. There's also the red sandstone tenements which I'm not sure if you have in Chicago but I've had to do a double take sometimes when I've seen pics of some NY ones. Of course every city has it's own beauty and uniqueness ( I'm a city girl) and long may that remain what with cloned shopping Malls I think I'm right in remembering that you visited around the late 70's early 80's well just after that Glasgow reinvented itself, as all good tourist books says, and literally sand blasted the bejeesus out of the buildings in the city. All the grime, soot and dust that had turned them black was obliterated and all the beautiful details and colours of the buildings were revealed in fact I didn't recognise some of the buildings that I had walked by every day. Right enough just don't get me started on "Glasgow v Edinburgh" ;D
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Post by tullist on Aug 18, 2011 1:52:39 GMT
Yes P that would be much more common to NYC where brownstones are well known and like pretty much everything else in Manhattan, very expensive, but also very choice, often with very interesting residents. I still think NYC nudges even Chicago in the people department, so many very sharp, and often very funny people from nearly all corners of the world, not that the precise same thing isn't true in Chicago, NYC is just that next level up, and yes, it is intense, I suspect like nowhere else on the planet. Although I occasionally think those famous words on the Statue of Liberty should be removed when I think of the Jewish regugees denied entry in their darkest hour and the current immigration debate, not that there is no merit in opposite opinions, but I sense they are opinions often steeped in bald racism. The whole immigration issue world wide is a very deep concern, my heart cries when I read of the behaviors happening elsewhere in the world, veering very near Nazi behavior. As long as we maintain a world wide ignorance on things like population explosions, sorry folks, people from countries where there is no hope or food are always going to try and save themselves and those they love, and bad as things are here in the west, take a look down thru great swaths of Africa and I know its time to shut up. I would love to have met your daughter but I realize in her spin thru town she just might have had better things to do than meet with some middle aged man who shares her Mother's light obsession. So pleased that Chicago made a positive impression on her, I just feel I would have been able to show her aspects she might not have known to look for.
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