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Post by stormmonkey on Jul 17, 2010 9:01:46 GMT
Was just dipping into Scott Allen Nollen's 'Jethro Tull - A History Of The Band, 1968-2001' and read the following from a chapter on Thick As A Brick:
"On May 1 in New Orleans, Anderson wrote a piece that paired the band members with a 50-piece orchestra. (Though the work was recorded it has not been released.)"
Can any fellow Tull fans shed more light on this piece?
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 17, 2010 17:12:31 GMT
Was just dipping into Scott Allen Nollen's 'Jethro Tull - A History Of The Band, 1968-2001' and read the following from a chapter on Thick As A Brick: "On May 1 in New Orleans, Anderson wrote a piece that paired the band members with a 50-piece orchestra. (Though the work was recorded it has not been released.)"Can any fellow Tull fans shed more light on this piece? This was the initial recording for music that was destined for War Child, I presume the film music score, but was as you rightly say, never released and I don't know of any unofficial release anywhere. Probably it's in IA's cellar. Ian Anderson - flute Martin Barre - acoustic guitar Jeffrey Hammond - double bass John Evan - piano Barrie Barlow - timpani
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Post by prestonplatform on Jul 17, 2010 23:03:07 GMT
I agree with you mad dog. I have often wondered about this recording. I guess someone may hear it one day. what else is in Ians vaults ? I am not sure
Some while back a few Tull fans gave Ian a copy of the Boot Pile of Bricks. some time later Ian replied by email saying something on the lines gosh did we really play and sound that good then . The inference was that Ian had not heard a 72 show for many many years
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 18, 2010 8:40:53 GMT
I agree with you mad dog. I have often wondered about this recording. I guess someone may hear it one day. what else is in Ians vaults ? I am not sure Some while back a few Tull fans gave Ian a copy of the Boot Pile of Bricks. some time later Ian replied by email saying something on the lines gosh did we really play and sound that good then . The inference was that Ian had not heard a 72 show for many many years I think that there is the temptation to assume that IA's "vault" is stacked high with unreleased music but I would guess the opposite is true. I'd love to hear the embryonic War Child music, further demos from Dot Com and other albums and the material recorded by Candy Coloured Rain at Abbey Road, prior to Sunshine Day but I reckon that's not going to happen. Back when Chrysalis were in discussion with IA over the 20th anniversary, he asked to hear some of the few bootleg CDs that were in circulation at that time to get some idea of what could be in existance but apart from the Stockholm concert from January 1969 and the BBC session recordings, most of the other stuff was lo-fi audience recordings. If IA had the masters for any early concerts surely he would not have requested to hear bootlegs. It is more likely that other band members over the years have unreleased material, both studio and concert recordings. IA records every show he does and the tapes are available for band members to listen to but as to whether those tapes are kept is questionable - I would think not as the exercise would mean a vast collection of cassettes, mini discs, dat tapes et al. As for availability of unreleased music, one has to thank the bootleggers for: Unedited Chateau D'Iaster material - "Minstrels In The Red House", edited Dot Com demos (The Seed Drill Ditties bootleg) and The Water's Edge to name but three. Not forgetting the legitimate release of the John Evan Band material for which we have to thank Dave Rees and Martin Webb. I would hazard a guess that the wealth of legitimate "in concert" material issued recently (AVO sessions for example) is a direct attempt to beat the bootlegger by IA.
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Post by steelmonkey on Jul 18, 2010 19:00:17 GMT
They played a good 15 or 20 minutes of the orchestral War Child music before the shows in early 75....surely it survives somewhere in usable form...I mean, you think they recorded it, mixed it for taped performance and tossed it at the end of the tour?
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Post by 10cars on Jul 18, 2010 20:07:49 GMT
Yes, I remember that, too. Though it seemed even longer (40 mins) to me. We already have two pieces of that on record: The Warchild arrangement on the LSO plays Jethro Tull (the only track on that album worth buying it) Warchild Waltz on the Warchild remaster
Thanks for the "Water's Edge thank you", Maddog! Seems I was the only one who brought a cheapo dictaphone to the first performance in Glasgow in 1979...bless the digital age to enable me to make it listenable!
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 19, 2010 7:40:52 GMT
Yes, I remember that, too. Though it seemed even longer (40 mins) to me. We already have two pieces of that on record: The Warchild arrangement on the LSO plays Jethro Tull (the only track on that album worth buying it) Warchild Waltz on the Warchild remaster Thanks for the "Water's Edge thank you", Maddog! Seems I was the only one who brought a cheapo dictaphone to the first performance in Glasgow in 1979...bless the digital age to enable me to make it listenable! An even bigger thank you 10cars for the "Water's Edge". If we still had the karma thing you'd be getting a ton of it from me. I still reckon that a studio re-recording by Dee Palmer of it would be a real bonus for Tull fans every where, coupled with her music for "The Blood Of The British".
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 19, 2010 7:44:25 GMT
Yes, I remember that, too. Though it seemed even longer (40 mins) to me. We already have two pieces of that on record: The Warchild arrangement on the LSO plays Jethro Tull (the only track on that album worth buying it) Warchild Waltz on the Warchild remaster Thanks for the "Water's Edge thank you", Maddog! Seems I was the only one who brought a cheapo dictaphone to the first performance in Glasgow in 1979...bless the digital age to enable me to make it listenable! An even bigger thank you 10cars for the "Water's Edge". If we still had the karma thing you'd be getting a ton of it from me. I still reckon that a studio re-recording by Dee Palmer of it would be a real bonus for Tull fans every where, coupled with her music for "The Blood Of The British". I was looking on You tube for the Blood of the British opening sequence for our Best opening Song thread? alas to no avail
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 19, 2010 8:49:07 GMT
An even bigger thank you 10cars for the "Water's Edge". If we still had the karma thing you'd be getting a ton of it from me. I still reckon that a studio re-recording by Dee Palmer of it would be a real bonus for Tull fans every where, coupled with her music for "The Blood Of The British". I was looking on You tube for the Blood of the British opening sequence for our Best opening Song thread? alas to no avail Don't think it's on youtube - I've been looking. Will keep searching though
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Post by 10cars on Jul 19, 2010 14:11:43 GMT
An even bigger thank you 10cars for the "Water's Edge". If we still had the karma thing you'd be getting a ton of it from me. I still reckon that a studio re-recording by Dee Palmer of it would be a real bonus for Tull fans every where, coupled with her music for "The Blood Of The British". That would be a nice one! And Disc Two with the Warchild movie music! A little random note for "The Water's Edge" CD: I took the coverphoto of the boy in water on Skye!
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 19, 2010 14:20:04 GMT
An even bigger thank you 10cars for the "Water's Edge". If we still had the karma thing you'd be getting a ton of it from me. I still reckon that a studio re-recording by Dee Palmer of it would be a real bonus for Tull fans every where, coupled with her music for "The Blood Of The British". That would be a nice one! And Disc Two with the Warchild movie music! A little random note for "The Water's Edge" CD: I took the coverphoto of the boy in water on Skye! Well you are now promoted to the Forum's bootleg unofficial recording expert and all queries now go to you! ;D I'd like to hear, and I expect others would as well, what the Water's Edge concert was like. I've read that it was, apart from the music, a bit of a fiasco with under-rehersed dancers etc. What was your "take" on the concert?
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Post by 10cars on Jul 19, 2010 14:54:58 GMT
Well you are now promoted to the Forum's bootleg unofficial recording expert and all queries now go to you! ;D I'd like to hear, and I expect others would as well, what the Water's Edge concert was like. I've read that it was, apart from the music, a bit of a fiasco with under-rehersed dancers etc. What was your "take" on the concert? No glovearm queries please! :-( It was in Theatre Royal in Glasgow (7th March 1979) and the ballet was alright to me, not being an expert or lover of ballet. You can see a short piece of it in the BBC documentary "Lively Arts" as you and most others wil know anyway. The orchestra was not exactly the Berlin Philharmonic (Ich bin ein Berliner) but alright, too, as opera orchestras tend to be...alright. It was a normal premiere evening of a ballet performance with more than usual longhaired, bearded members of the audience (but not balding,like today!). The thing that disturbed me was, that the three pieces (W.E, Ursprung by Jon Anderson of Yes and the 3rd I don't remember, too lazy to look it up) didn't connect in any way, choreography or music-wise. Just three very different pieces. W.E. was the most "traditional and oldfashioned" (music and choreography) of those three. Ian, Martin and David (Dee) were there and came on stage after the performance to take a bow (Ian in a black satin suit with green Tam O'Shanter, smart!) and signed autographs after the show outside the theatre. Not too interesting, I'm afraid!
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Post by maddogfagin on Jul 19, 2010 15:31:36 GMT
Well you are now promoted to the Forum's bootleg unofficial recording expert and all queries now go to you! ;D I'd like to hear, and I expect others would as well, what the Water's Edge concert was like. I've read that it was, apart from the music, a bit of a fiasco with under-rehersed dancers etc. What was your "take" on the concert? No glovearm queries please! :-( It was in Theatre Royal in Glasgow (7th March 1979) and the ballet was alright to me, not being an expert or lover of ballet. You can see a short piece of it in the BBC documentary "Lively Arts" as you and most others wil know anyway. The orchestra was not exactly the Berlin Philharmonic (Ich bin ein Berliner) but alright, too, as opera orchestras tend to be...alright. It was a normal premiere evening of a ballet performance with more than usual longhaired, bearded members of the audience (but not balding,like today!). The thing that disturbed me was, that the three pieces (W.E, Ursprung by Jon Anderson of Yes and the 3rd I don't remember, too lazy to look it up) didn't connect in any way, choreography or music-wise. Just three very different pieces. W.E. was the most "traditional and oldfashioned" (music and choreography) of those three. Ian, Martin and David (Dee) were there and came on stage after the performance to take a bow (Ian in a black satin suit with green Tam O'Shanter, smart!) and signed autographs after the show outside the theatre. Not too interesting, I'm afraid! Thanks for the "review" ;D It's a shame that only the one short piece from The Lively Arts has ever surfaced onto the web via off air video recordings and like a lot of Dee Palmer's incidental music for not only the Water's Edge (with IA & MB of course) but Blood Of The British seems to have disappeared into a black hole, never to be seen again.
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Post by nonrabbit on Jul 19, 2010 18:14:15 GMT
Well you are now promoted to the Forum's bootleg unofficial recording expert and all queries now go to you! ;D I'd like to hear, and I expect others would as well, what the Water's Edge concert was like. I've read that it was, apart from the music, a bit of a fiasco with under-rehersed dancers etc. What was your "take" on the concert? No glovearm queries please! :-( It was in Theatre Royal in Glasgow (7th March 1979) and the ballet was alright to me, not being an expert or lover of ballet. You can see a short piece of it in the BBC documentary "Lively Arts" as you and most others wil know anyway. The orchestra was not exactly the Berlin Philharmonic (Ich bin ein Berliner) but alright, too, as opera orchestras tend to be...alright. It was a normal premiere evening of a ballet performance with more than usual longhaired, bearded members of the audience (but not balding,like today!). The thing that disturbed me was, that the three pieces (W.E, Ursprung by Jon Anderson of Yes and the 3rd I don't remember, too lazy to look it up) didn't connect in any way, choreography or music-wise. Just three very different pieces. W.E. was the most "traditional and oldfashioned" (music and choreography) of those three. Ian, Martin and David (Dee) were there and came on stage after the performance to take a bow (Ian in a black satin suit with green Tam O'Shanter, smart!) and signed autographs after the show outside the theatre. Not too interesting, I'm afraid! Interesting to me as I was probably walking by the Theatre Royal at the time heading down to the Howff or somewhere I wonder if it was well advertised or not at the time as it didn't ring a bell with me until someone mentioned it here on the Forum a while back.
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