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Post by admin on May 1, 2008 8:46:28 GMT
This should be dropping on our doormats pretty soon so time to get the reviews thread ready! Track Listing Rockpop In Concert 1982 1) Hard Times 2) Pussy Willow 3) Heavy Horses 4) Jack In The Green 5) Keyboard Solo 6) Sweet Dreams 7) Aqualung 8) Locomotive Breath 9) Cheerio Rocksummer 1986 10) Hunting Girl Out In The Green 1986 11) Thick As A Brick 12) Black Sunday 13) Improvisation 2 14) Too Old To Rock'n'Roll, Too Young To Die Live In Germany 1993 15) My Sunday Feeling 16) So Much Trouble Beat Club 1970/1971 17) With You There To Help Me 18) Nothing Is Easy And a preview trailer for the DVD..... www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDi6GlbsLnA
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Post by TM on May 1, 2008 13:49:57 GMT
Thanks Col. Strange that no dates for a US release have been made public to date.
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Post by Dan on May 1, 2008 14:08:23 GMT
This should be dropping on our doormats pretty soon so time to get the reviews thread ready! Track Listing Rockpop In Concert 1982 1) Hard Times 2) Pussy Willow 3) Heavy Horses 4) Jack In The Green 5) Keyboard Solo 6) Sweet Dreams 7) Aqualung 8) Locomotive Breath 9) Cheerio Rocksummer 1986 10) Hunting Girl Out In The Green 1986 11) Thick As A Brick 12) Black Sunday 13) Improvisation 2 14) Too Old To Rock'n'Roll, Too Young To Die Live In Germany 1993 15) My Sunday Feeling 16) So Much Trouble Beat Club 1970/1971 17) With You There To Help Me 18) Nothing Is Easy And a preview trailer for the DVD..... www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDi6GlbsLnAHopefully, they willl be entire songs and not short clips surrounded by documentary. Dan
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Post by fatman on May 1, 2008 15:43:17 GMT
Thanks Col. Strange that no dates for a US release have been made public to date. You're not actually thinking of buying this are you Monkey? I know I'm not. I've had it with this kind of thing. No new album for me, no more of my money for Ian. Jeff
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Post by admin on May 4, 2008 21:34:43 GMT
Woo hoo, it's here! According to Play.com it was supposed to come out on the 5th so it was a nice surprise to have it drop on my doormat yesterday. I've only had the chance to watch it through once but on the strength of one viewing I'd say...... The rockpop 82 stuff is very familiar to all of you I'm sure as it's done the rounds on youtube but it's nice to see it in decent quality. I could have lived without the keyboard solo and had another proper song from the set but if that's all the footage that exists from that gig then fair enough I suppose. An excellent addition to the Tull catalogue and worth the asking price of the DVD just for this portion. Hunting Girl from Rocksummer 86 is new to me and watched on it's own is fine but coming straight after the 82 set the difference in Ian Andersons voice is startling. Not really filmed that well either and it cuts off rather abruptly too giving the DVD a bit of a cobbled together feel. Which had me a bit worried for the Out In The Green part of the disc but fortunately, although it's from what must have been around the same time, it's much better. Again I'd rather have had another song than Improvisation II which probably worked well in the context of the concert it was from but I don't think will stand up to repeated watching on TV. The rest of the set is top drawer Tull though, nice to hear a different portion of TAAB than usual in the song. The Live 93 stuff is the footage from a german TV show that again can be found on youtube but it's good fun and a worthy addition to this set IMO. And the Beat Club songs you all know too, although I do find the famous/infamous Nothing Is Easy clip a bit of a bizarre way to end the DVD with it's stop start beginning and then fizzling out halfway through with a sick and grumpy looking Ian wandering off. That one should probably been left on the curio shelf. All in all though, a good addition to the Tull collection, although maybe not the best introduction to Tull for the casual fan. nicely packaged too, I like the design of the cover and booklet. The definative Tull DVD is still yet to made, but this one will do nicely in the meantime.
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Post by neilstcleve on May 4, 2008 22:25:44 GMT
Does the 'Out in the Green' section contain Peggy & PJV doing Level Pegging (just after TAAB, I think)?. I'm sure I've got that on VHS somewhere.
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Post by admin on May 5, 2008 16:40:55 GMT
Does the 'Out in the Green' section contain Peggy & PJV doing Level Pegging (just after TAAB, I think)?. I'm sure I've got that on VHS somewhere. Yes Neil, it does indeed. And just out of curiosity does your old VHS have any more tracks than those on the DVD?
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Post by TM on May 5, 2008 19:07:06 GMT
Thanks Col. Strange that no dates for a US release have been made public to date. You're not actually thinking of buying this are you Monkey? I know I'm not. I've had it with this kind of thing. No new album for me, no more of my money for Ian. Jeff I'm afraid you may never make another Tull purchase Jeff! I don't know, I'll wait and see if and when it comes to the States. I'm not against the DVD releases, with the exception of the Orchestral one. Nothing wrong with some decent footage of the older shows. Did you buy tickets for this tour? I haven't as of yet, and just may pass again.
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Post by admin on May 5, 2008 19:19:09 GMT
Did you buy tickets for this tour? I haven't as of yet, and just may pass again. Nooooo TM, get yourself down there! Of course it wont be the Tull of '77 you'll be seeing but they have certainly beefed everything up a bit since last time round. Tull are still sounding good, you'll have a great night out.
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Post by fatman on May 6, 2008 4:32:49 GMT
You're not actually thinking of buying this are you Monkey? I know I'm not. I've had it with this kind of thing. No new album for me, no more of my money for Ian. Jeff I'm afraid you may never make another Tull purchase Jeff! I don't know, I'll wait and see if and when it comes to the States. I'm not against the DVD releases, with the exception of the Orchestral one. Nothing wrong with some decent footage of the older shows. Did you buy tickets for this tour? I haven't as of yet, and just may pass again. I've had it with all the re-re-re-releases. I'm willing to bet most of what's on this so-called Jack in the Green DVD is nothing new. Probably more than half of it is from 25th Anniversary DVD, Living WIth the Past DVD, Isle of Wight DVD, Montreaux DVD, Orchestral DVD, etc. Enough already with the DVDs. The trouble with music DVDs is how often will you really watch them? The tendency is to play it once (usually not even all the way through, especially if it's as bad as LWTP) and then put it on the shelf to rot. Who has the time? I am going to one Tull show this year, Jones Beach, but that's it. You're lucky you passed on Newark last year. That was truly awful, a total re-hash, going through the motions type of thing. Jeff
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Post by admin on May 6, 2008 8:44:14 GMT
I'm afraid you may never make another Tull purchase Jeff! I don't know, I'll wait and see if and when it comes to the States. I'm not against the DVD releases, with the exception of the Orchestral one. Nothing wrong with some decent footage of the older shows. Did you buy tickets for this tour? I haven't as of yet, and just may pass again. I've had it with all the re-re-re-releases. I'm willing to bet most of what's on this so-called Jack in the Green DVD is nothing new. Probably more than half of it is from 25th Anniversary DVD, Living WIth the Past DVD, Isle of Wight DVD, Montreaux DVD, Orchestral DVD, etc. Jeff None of it has been previously released.
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Post by TM on May 6, 2008 17:51:57 GMT
Did you buy tickets for this tour? I haven't as of yet, and just may pass again. Nooooo TM, get yourself down there! Of course it wont be the Tull of '77 you'll be seeing but they have certainly beefed everything up a bit since last time round. Tull are still sounding good, you'll have a great night out. Thanks Col. But unfortunately right now they are not playing close to home. I used to travel considerable distances to see them. But those days are over. I'll pick-up a seat if they happen to play within about an hour's ride. As for special guests, I think Eddie Jobson is a NY guy. I guess that's always a possibility. And does Glenn still live in California?
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Post by TM on May 6, 2008 18:00:49 GMT
I'm afraid you may never make another Tull purchase Jeff! I don't know, I'll wait and see if and when it comes to the States. I'm not against the DVD releases, with the exception of the Orchestral one. Nothing wrong with some decent footage of the older shows. Did you buy tickets for this tour? I haven't as of yet, and just may pass again. I've had it with all the re-re-re-releases. I'm willing to bet most of what's on this so-called Jack in the Green DVD is nothing new. Probably more than half of it is from 25th Anniversary DVD, Living WIth the Past DVD, Isle of Wight DVD, Montreaux DVD, Orchestral DVD, etc. Enough already with the DVDs. The trouble with music DVDs is how often will you really watch them? The tendency is to play it once (usually not even all the way through, especially if it's as bad as LWTP) and then put it on the shelf to rot. Who has the time? I am going to one Tull show this year, Jones Beach, but that's it. You're lucky you passed on Newark last year. That was truly awful, a total re-hash, going through the motions type of thing. Jeff I cannot argue with you Bitter Phil, I mean Jeff! I'm waiting for a PNC Arts Center show to be added, but so far no luck.
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Post by neilstcleve on May 6, 2008 20:59:52 GMT
Does the 'Out in the Green' section contain Peggy & PJV doing Level Pegging (just after TAAB, I think)?. I'm sure I've got that on VHS somewhere. Yes Neil, it does indeed. And just out of curiosity does your old VHS have any more tracks than those on the DVD? Sorry for the delay Col, but I can't find the blimmin' thing. Bought the DVD yesterday, and after watching the 'Out in the Green' bit, I think it's all I had. The tape also had camcorder footage from the MK bowl gig, also in 86, but there was more backs of heads than band footage ;D
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Post by fatman on May 7, 2008 6:11:15 GMT
Nooooo TM, get yourself down there! Of course it wont be the Tull of '77 you'll be seeing but they have certainly beefed everything up a bit since last time round. Tull are still sounding good, you'll have a great night out. Thanks Col. But unfortunately right now they are not playing close to home. I used to travel considerable distances to see them. But those days are over. I'll pick-up a seat if they happen to play within about an hour's ride. As for special guests, I think Eddie Jobson is a NY guy. I guess that's always a possibility. And does Glenn still live in California? You mean Eddie's going to be a special guest.......again? ;D
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Post by admin on May 7, 2008 8:13:28 GMT
Nooooo TM, get yourself down there! Of course it wont be the Tull of '77 you'll be seeing but they have certainly beefed everything up a bit since last time round. Tull are still sounding good, you'll have a great night out. Thanks Col. But unfortunately right now they are not playing close to home. I used to travel considerable distances to see them. But those days are over. I'll pick-up a seat if they happen to play within about an hour's ride. As for special guests, I think Eddie Jobson is a NY guy. I guess that's always a possibility. And does Glenn still live in California? To be honest I'd probably be the same. I've been spoilt over the years living so close to London, Tull practically come to me! Of the four gigs I'm going to on this tour three of them are only an hour & a halfs drive away max. I've got bad lazyitus when it comes to travelling any distance to gigs. I didn't know Glenn lives in California. I had him down as a pretty safe bet to turn up as a guest somewhere over here. I'll let him off then! Yes Neil, it does indeed. And just out of curiosity does your old VHS have any more tracks than those on the DVD? Sorry for the delay Col, but I can't find the blimmin' thing. Bought the DVD yesterday, and after watching the 'Out in the Green' bit, I think it's all I had. The tape also had camcorder footage from the MK bowl gig, also in 86, but there was more backs of heads than band footage ;D No worries, I guess the Out In The Green and Rockpop tracks were all they had then. I would imagine both of those gigs were originally filmed in full and then edited down so I wonder if they still lurk in someones archive gathering dust. They were both good tours so it would be nice see them in their entirety one day.
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Post by TM on May 7, 2008 13:43:19 GMT
Thanks Col. But unfortunately right now they are not playing close to home. I used to travel considerable distances to see them. But those days are over. I'll pick-up a seat if they happen to play within about an hour's ride. As for special guests, I think Eddie Jobson is a NY guy. I guess that's always a possibility. And does Glenn still live in California? You mean Eddie's going to be a special guest.......again? ;D Of course I MEANT to say it would be nice to see Eddie as a special guest for the 1st TIME!
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Post by TM on May 7, 2008 13:45:54 GMT
Thanks Col. But unfortunately right now they are not playing close to home. I used to travel considerable distances to see them. But those days are over. I'll pick-up a seat if they happen to play within about an hour's ride. As for special guests, I think Eddie Jobson is a NY guy. I guess that's always a possibility. And does Glenn still live in California? To be honest I'd probably be the same. I've been spoilt over the years living so close to London, Tull practically come to me! Of the four gigs I'm going to on this tour three of them are only an hour & a halfs drive away max. I've got bad lazyitus when it comes to travelling any distance to gigs. [glow=red,2,300]I didn't know Glenn lives in California. I had him down as a pretty safe bet to turn up as a guest somewhere over here. I'll let him off then! [/glow]Sorry for the delay Col, but I can't find the blimmin' thing. Bought the DVD yesterday, and after watching the 'Out in the Green' bit, I think it's all I had. The tape also had camcorder footage from the MK bowl gig, also in 86, but there was more backs of heads than band footage ;D No worries, I guess the Out In The Green and Rockpop tracks were all they had then. I would imagine both of those gigs were originally filmed in full and then edited down so I wonder if they still lurk in someones archive gathering dust. They were both good tours so it would be nice see them in their entirety one day. Glenn lived in California for quite some time, but I remember reading he was planning on moving back. Just don't know whether or not he has. I could definitely see him up on stage for this tour.
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Post by neilstcleve on May 7, 2008 16:28:42 GMT
Does the 'Out in the Green' section contain Peggy & PJV doing Level Pegging (just after TAAB, I think)?. I'm sure I've got that on VHS somewhere. Yes Neil, it does indeed. And just out of curiosity does your old VHS have any more tracks than those on the DVD? Found it, dusted it off, and found another track! On my tape, Aqualung is between the guitar improv and TOTR&R. Not a bad version, but spoiled a bit by Martin doing his Malmsteen / Vai impersonations with super speed runs and squealy(?) guitar bends in the solo
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Post by fatman on May 8, 2008 4:09:20 GMT
To be honest I'd probably be the same. I've been spoilt over the years living so close to London, Tull practically come to me! Of the four gigs I'm going to on this tour three of them are only an hour & a halfs drive away max. I've got bad lazyitus when it comes to travelling any distance to gigs. [glow=red,2,300]I didn't know Glenn lives in California. I had him down as a pretty safe bet to turn up as a guest somewhere over here. I'll let him off then! [/glow]No worries, I guess the Out In The Green and Rockpop tracks were all they had then. I would imagine both of those gigs were originally filmed in full and then edited down so I wonder if they still lurk in someones archive gathering dust. They were both good tours so it would be nice see them in their entirety one day. Glenn lived in California for quite some time, but I remember reading he was planning on moving back. Just don't know whether or not he has. I could definitely see him up on stage for this tour. Glenn was in town recently and made a guest appearance with the Tull tribute band WarChild at the Iridium. I spoke with him for a long time after the show about the early days of Tull. He had a lot of very interesting things to say about Ian and Mick. Jeff
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Post by nonrabbit on May 8, 2008 7:29:55 GMT
Glenn lived in California for quite some time, but I remember reading he was planning on moving back. Just don't know whether or not he has. I could definitely see him up on stage for this tour. Glenn was in town recently and made a guest appearance with the Tull tribute band WarChild at the Iridium. I spoke with him for a long time after the show about the early days of Tull. He had a lot of very interesting things to say about Ian and Mick. Jeff Care to expand Jeff ........
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Post by silkenmist on May 8, 2008 11:28:30 GMT
Thanks Col. Strange that no dates for a US release have been made public to date. I just ordered this DVD from Amazon. The price was reduced from $14.95 to $12.95 plus S&H (wonder why). It will be available in the US beginning on May 20th. Silken...
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Post by TM on May 8, 2008 13:25:12 GMT
Glenn lived in California for quite some time, but I remember reading he was planning on moving back. Just don't know whether or not he has. I could definitely see him up on stage for this tour. Glenn was in town recently and made a guest appearance with the Tull tribute band WarChild at the Iridium. I spoke with him for a long time after the show about the early days of Tull. He had a lot of very interesting things to say about Ian and Mick. Jeff Reminds me of several years ago. He was at one of those Tull gatherings in NY. Myself and a few others had the opportunity to talk to him for quite a while as well. And like you said Jeff, it was quite interesting. I have a feeling we both heard similar stories.
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Post by fatman on May 9, 2008 4:13:22 GMT
Glenn was in town recently and made a guest appearance with the Tull tribute band WarChild at the Iridium. I spoke with him for a long time after the show about the early days of Tull. He had a lot of very interesting things to say about Ian and Mick. Jeff Reminds me of several years ago. He was at one of those Tull gatherings in NY. Myself and a few others had the opportunity to talk to him for quite a while as well. And like you said Jeff, it was quite interesting. I have a feeling we both heard similar stories. You're probably talking about the Tull convention at Hofstra University in 1994, I think it was. I spoke with him then too. Pretty brutal, what he had to say. Jeff
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Post by fatman on May 9, 2008 4:15:05 GMT
You mean Eddie's going to be a special guest.......again? ;D Of course I MEANT to say it would be nice to see Eddie as a special guest for the 1st TIME! Jeff
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Post by TM on May 9, 2008 16:07:38 GMT
Reminds me of several years ago. He was at one of those Tull gatherings in NY. Myself and a few others had the opportunity to talk to him for quite a while as well. And like you said Jeff, it was quite interesting. I have a feeling we both heard similar stories. You're probably talking about the Tull convention at Hofstra University in 1994, I think it was. I spoke with him then too. Pretty brutal, what he had to say. Jeff Yeah, he didn't pull any punches. But none of the ex-guys do, do they? Not at least the ones I've talked to.
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Post by admin on May 9, 2008 20:20:21 GMT
You're probably talking about the Tull convention at Hofstra University in 1994, I think it was. I spoke with him then too. Pretty brutal, what he had to say. Jeff Yeah, he didn't pull any punches. But none of the ex-guys do, do they? Not at least the ones I've talked to. Maybe that famous 'never meet your heroes, you'll only be disappointed' saying should be amended to 'never work for your heroes'!
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Post by tullistray on May 10, 2008 2:42:55 GMT
Yeah, he didn't pull any punches. But none of the ex-guys do, do they? Not at least the ones I've talked to. Maybe that famous 'never meet your heroes, you'll only be disappointed' saying should be amended to 'never work for your heroes'! One of a thousand things I respect about IA is I have never heard him to run his mouth, something I know I fail at at times, other than with some regret re John Evan about his former bandmates and employees, hopefully it has dawned on one and all that there may well be at least another side to these stories. l admit to having some trepidation and being guilty of a bit of asskissing in meeting him twice on Skye in 83, once outside his home for a nearly half hour conversation, one in which he was more than open about all subjects except Jethro Tull. Having said that I have long known I would have a very different response to him than some I have heard on radio call in shows, who, I must admit, sounded pretty ignorant, and though Ian was very funny he was also highly dis respectful towards them, and if you know me, you can be sure I would have carved him a new asshole if he talked to me like that. When meeting him I had the audacity to say, and this was 83, that if Tull were coming out now they would never get on the radio, and I was right. He tried to disagree, yet I heard him say the exact same thing about ten years later. My idol was Mickey Mantle, him I might of stammered in the presence of, or possibly Miles Davis, around whom I felt to be in the presence of the real Oz. But I have met all sorts of famous musicians, spent a couple days w Jaco Pastorious, have met Art Blakey, Max Roach, Wynton and Branford Marsalis, Bob Weir, Stan Getz, Sun Ra and many others, mostly jazz guys and some ballplayers, old Packers, Cubs and actually lucky enough to do some serious drinking a few weeks ago w Denis Savard, Blackhawk coach and legend and a totally straight up guy but it aint like he was giving me intimate details of Arthur Wirtz or Guy Lafleur, nor did I ask, and you know what, they are all human. But in a round about way what I am saying is there is intimation of around here of what Glenn Cornick or maybe one of the other guys might have said, doesn't make it true exactly, Ian Anderson is a complex individual and not a groovy rocker, probably would have made an ace and useful politician, but we would have been much the poorer. He seems to get on fine w Jeffrey Hammond, Dee Palmer, Dave Pegg, Martin Barre, Doane Perry, Clive Bunker, all the recent girl violinists and likely others, but even if he doesn't f**k it, IA is the one for whom my respect is nearly boundless and again, wealthy or not (and well earned I might add, the guy does not dis his ex employees to yokels like me)and I wonder of those ex members who shared salacious bits w the fans, how many have had the balls to say the same things to his face, though I don't doubt Mick Abrahams has, but from what I know, in matters as regard JTull, Ian was right in that particular showdown, if it had been Micks band you can bet the date on the Jethro Tull tombstone would have been about 1971. Having seen John Evan in an interview he hardly seemed the last word in warmth and as to Barrie Barlow laying guilt at Ian's door, looks like a pretty damn nice house he was living in and as to him being pissed that Ian did not pay for John Glascocks funeral, what was to stop Barrie from doing it? Near as I can tell John Glascock was the first of the hired hands, not Ian's pal for which Ian should bear zero guilt, a competent player but no more "Tullish" than the disregarded Jon Noyce and not a better player, for instance I am completely w Ian in that Isle of Wight video where he claims to have alot more in common w the older man who was interviewed during the festival than the self righteous rocker types who embarrassed me for my generation. Per usual I will stand steadfastly by Ian Anderson, he will tell me to move along, I will sneer at him, we were made for each other. BTW I thought Glenn Cornick had long since moved back to the UK, maybe he has returned to Cali? Believe it or not I do wish them all very well.
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Post by SilverHamer on May 10, 2008 21:43:53 GMT
Whewww...tullistray...that is some write-up! I have never interacted with Ian in any way, shape, or form, so I have no first-hand knowledge (or impression) upon which to base any opinion. And with that I will add that BECAUSE of that, I withhold comment about those professional/interpersonal relationships about which I have no first-hand knowledge. I will agree with your overall sentiment about Ian, however, and like you I have never heard him say anything bad about any of the former members of Tull. And to be honest, those former bandmates with whom I have interacted...ie, Glen, Mick, Andrew, and Jon...none of them have really had anything bad to say to me about Tull. I met Glen as a result of an ebay listing I had about 5 years ago where he contacted me to clarify something I had stated about the John Evan Band...I once had some of their music listed on ebay. I became a regular communicator with Glen after that via email...he has always included me on his Christmas email list, etc.
Admittedly, I have not read any interviews, or seen any video clips, of any of the former guys saying anything negative...but I am not so naive to believe that if I haven't seen it that it never happened...LOL. My motto is that if I don't have first-hand knowledge, then anything I say will only be noise...therefor I do my best to keep to myself like that. So far it has been my own experience that the four guys I've listed that I am in touch with seem to be proud of the fact that they were members of one of the greatest bands of all time. Andrew seemed a bit upset about being invited to perform as a special guest on the current tour, and one could hardly blame him for it. I suppose that we are all human and are apt to become emotional once in a while...and there should be no need for forgiveness for it either.
Glen is living in UK, by the way. According to the Wild Turkey myspace page, they are in Swansea, Wales but that may only be in reference to the Band's home or something.
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Post by tullistray on May 10, 2008 21:57:05 GMT
Thanks man, it just bothers me sometimes that the places where it seems like IA could find shelter from the storm are sometimes the places where he gets it from all sides. Like most hard cores I have never wanted to see anyone removed, but I don't know what's goin on and resolutely have trust in Ian's judgement in all areas, most recently I for one felt that the Jon and Andy band, while always excellent had become so good it was stupid, but alot of people seem to not like Jon cause he doesn't move around like Glen or Jeffrey. For instance if you get dime torrents check out that show from Ravinia in 02, I would call it sweet and nasty, Jon one hell of a tasteful anchor. But do I like the new guys sure! Would I get a kick if Glen rejoined someday? Doubtless. Tull has been so much fun forever it is truly silly and Ian is the constant, I've gotta credit him the most.
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