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Post by maddogfagin on Oct 6, 2009 16:26:30 GMT
A catch-all thread for those tantalizing Tull related questions.
Just found this on ebay - anyone know anything? Is it a genuine release or a bootleg.
100% Official, MINT SEALED IMPORT LP Artist/Title: JETHRO TULL Aqualung 4 x 45RPM Clarity Vinyl Box Set CTY/LABEL: USA Classic £54.99
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Post by nonrabbit on Oct 25, 2009 11:13:46 GMT
1. Was Dave Pegg's departure from Tull inevitable and amicable? 2. Was there any particular reason/story as to why Pegg had Jack Frost and the Hooded Crow on his first solo album? i37.images obliterated by tinypic/ixrpci.jpg[/IMG]
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 5, 2009 9:54:37 GMT
Calling all Beatles/Paul McCartney fans. Does anyone know about the PMc song "Atlantic Ocean" where Martin Barre is one of the featured musicians ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2009 13:51:17 GMT
Hey - you're trying to blow my cover as a McCartney fan. ;D Thanks for drawing my attention to this - I did not know about this. (keep it quiet) www.beatlelinks.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11062"Son of Pie" As usual, Paul gave his record-buyers great value-for-money last year, with no fewer than ten bonus tracks released with singles from the album Flaming Pie - enough, indeed, for a whole other album. In response to your many enquiries, and to match the information given for the Pie tracks in that album’s booklet, here are the recording details for the extra tracks. Looking For You (McCartney) Paul McCartney lead vocal, backing vocal, bass guitar, organ Ringo Starr drums, congas Jeff Lynne electric guitars, backing vocal Producers Paul McCartney/Jeff Lynne Engineers Geoff Emerick/Jon Jacobs Studio location Sussex, England Recording began 14 May 1996 I Love This House (McCartney) Paul McCartney vocal, bass guitar, electric guitar David Foster keyboards Dave Gilmour electric guitar Dave Mattacks drumsProducer Paul McCartney/David Foster Engineers Jon Kelly/Jon Jacobs Studio location Sussex, England Recording began 25 September 1984 Atlantic Ocean (McCartney) Paul McCartney vocal, keyboard, bass guitar, electric guitar Phil Picket keyboards Louis Jardim percussion Stuart Elliott drums Martin Barre guitarProducer Phil Ramone Engineers Jon Jacobs/Steve Lyons Studio location Sussex, England Recording began 20 March 1987 Squid (McCartney) Paul McCartney all instruments Producer Paul McCartney Engineers Matt Butler/Eddie Klein Studio location Sussex, England Recording began 12 December 1986 Love Come Tumbling Down (McCartney) Paul McCartney vocal Tim Renwick guitar Nick Glennie-Smith keyboards Charlie Morgan drums Producers Paul McCartney/Phil Ramone Engineers Jon Jacobs/Steve Lyon Mix engineers Peter Henderson/Matt Butler Studio location Sussex, England Recording 10 March 1987 Broomstick (McCartney) Paul McCartney vocal and harmonies, drums, acoustic guitar, acoustic bass, organ, piano, percussion and sound effects Steve Miller electric guitar, acoustic guitar Producer Paul McCartney Engineers Geoff Emerick/Jon Jacobs Studio location Sussex, England Recording began 4 May 1995 Same Love (McCartney) Paul McCartney vocal Hamish Stuart guitar Nicky Hopkins piano Producers Paul McCartney/Phil Ramone Engineers Geoff Emerick/Matt Butler Studio location Sussex, England Recording 24 April 1987 Don’t Break The Promises (Solo Version) (McCartney) Paul McCartney lead vocal, guitar, bass, harmonium Hamish Stuart electric guitar, backing vocal Producer Paul McCartney Engineers Geoff Emerick/Matt Butler Studio location Sussex, England Recording began 9 June 1988 Beautiful Night (Original Version) (McCartney) Paul McCartney vocal, piano Liberty DeVitto drums Neil Jason bass David Brown guitar David Lebolt synths Producers Paul McCartney/Phil Ramone Engineers Steve Rinkoff/Dave O’Donnell Studio location New York City, USA Recording 21 August 1986 Love Mix (McCartney) Paul McCartney vocal, DX7 bass, keyboards Robbie McIntosh electric guitar Producers Paul McCartney/Phil Ramone Engineers Jon Jacobs/Steve Lyon Mix engineers Geoff Emerick/Matt Butler Studio location Sussex, England Recording 24 April 1987
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Post by cousinjack on Dec 16, 2009 2:24:46 GMT
does anyone know what happened to the coat? i49.images obliterated by tinypic/w7n9eo.jpg[/IMG]
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Post by maddogfagin on Dec 16, 2009 8:44:03 GMT
I reckon this was the one that was stolen after a show. I'm not sure where but it may have been in Ireland. Anyone confirm or deny this?
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Post by ulla on Dec 16, 2009 12:44:45 GMT
I reckon this was the one that was stolen after a show. I'm not sure where but it may have been in Ireland. Anyone confirm or deny this? I remember that Clive told me that story and he said it was in Dublin.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 15:44:08 GMT
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Post by steelmonkey on Dec 16, 2009 18:00:59 GMT
The 'Crest' banner got stolen, as well...don't remember if it was returned...plus, there was something about a stolen mandolin....
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Post by nonrabbit on Dec 16, 2009 22:44:10 GMT
In September 1969 Jethro Tull went to Ireland where Ian Anderson lost his famous old greatcoat. The coat was stolen. David Rees wrote that the greatcoat was stolen by fans. Well I didn't move here till 2006 but I'll keep checking the charity shops
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Post by slipstream on Feb 23, 2010 8:44:50 GMT
re Just found this on ebay - anyone know anything? Is it a genuine release or a bootleg. see www.classicrecords.com they are the producer of the well known 180gm and 200 gm Aqualungs and I have the 200gm and the 4LT box set and the sound quality is amazing
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Post by maddogfagin on Feb 23, 2010 10:21:39 GMT
re Just found this on ebay - anyone know anything? Is it a genuine release or a bootleg. see www.classicrecords.com they are the producer of the well known 180gm and 200 gm Aqualungs and I have the 200gm and the 4LT box set and the sound quality is amazing Think it's genuine. Anyone got anymore info?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2010 13:17:49 GMT
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Post by maddogfagin on Apr 5, 2010 16:28:32 GMT
From BBC Hereford & Worcester www.bbc.co.uk/herefordandworcester/content/articles/2008/04/07/music_map_andy_tector_memories_feature.shtmlJethro Tull gig in Malvern By Andy Tector
Andy Tector remembers Jethro Tull testing out A Passion Play in Malvern before taking it to Wembley...
I used to go to the gigs at the Winter Gardens during the early 70s.
I saw plenty of bands like the Strawbs, Argent, Wishbone Ash, Curved Air, Wizard and Status Quo (a somewhat eclectic list!!).
Jethro Tull My recollection of the Jethro Tull gig was that it was done at really short notice, and tickets went on sale just days before the 22nd.
The concert was probably the first live UK performance of "A Passion Play".
Rumour has it that Jethro Tull had a commitment to play a concert at Malvern and chose to do a date just prior to a series of gigs at Wembley in June, where they were about to perform A Passion Play.
The Malvern gig provided an opportunity to practice the set, and at the beginning of the it was a heart beat and flashing white light, developing into other projected images which went on for an eternity.
The beginning of A Passion Play was eventually quite dramatic but was not really a good listen.
Better Malvern gig Many people at the Malvern gig had tickets for Wembley and said the Malvern gig was much better than the concerts in London - a view borne out by the reviews in the Music Press who slated the Wembley performances.
The second half of the gig was better known Jethro Tull's tracks, including an awesome rendition of Locomotive Breath, which I can still vividly remember 35 years later.
Andy Tector Herefordshire
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Post by nonrabbit on Aug 29, 2010 20:21:10 GMT
Someone sent me this interesting tale down memory lane re Captain Beefheart and his Magic Band/Zappa/John Peel and Glasgow www.beefheart.com/yoyo/quaker.htmMany great scenes painted there ;D this sticks in my mind re Captain Beefheart aka1972 "The show began with a ballerina which was in fact a constant on this tour. Who was this ballerina? Why...."Anyone know anything about the Captain's shows and the ballerina? ...........a year prior to PP ??
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 4, 2010 9:01:13 GMT
Did Ian's parents actually run a Bed and Breakfast in Blackpool or did they retire there?
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Post by steelmonkey on Sept 4, 2010 18:02:12 GMT
I got the idea, from bits and pieces of information, that it wasn't a B & B type place...more of a boarding house...either way it would be interesting to know and wonder how comings and going of tourists and/or transient types affected Ian's view of the adult world or in what ways his home life may have been different than post-war, middle class average.
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Post by earsoftin on Sept 4, 2010 20:49:47 GMT
That's always interested me too, as it always seemed a little implausible on two counts: 1, that his father had retired from owning his own business and 2. that his parents must have been fairly old, given the age of their other children. And didn't they move to Lytham St Annes rather than Blackpool, which is a significant difference. It's a very upmarket place and not at all the same as Blackpool. Ian may have gone to school in Blackpool, but it was the Grammar School and I wonder if this distinction can be seen in songs like 'Up to me' (let alone Up the pool). The accounts I have read all seem a little fuzzy so if anybody knows it would be very interesting.
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 5, 2010 22:41:36 GMT
I have a hunch that maybe Mr and Mrs A either had relatives in St Annes or holidayed there or both. Maybe they decided to move with the young Ian for healthy air, good schools and golf for Mr A (?) I don't have a clue how financially comfortable they were - it's easy to assume that they were well heeled coming from a fairly salubrious part of Edinburgh ( isn't everywhere in Edinburgh? - sorry Glasgow joke) and what with running the Boiler Company but I think Mrs A still worked either running a modest boarding house or working in one. However I don't think the young Ian was forced to sleep in the bath due to overbooking, as some children of family run B&B's had to do further down the road in the bigger brassier sister - Blackpool. St Annes wasn't as busy or as brash as the neighbour and attracted a different kind of tourist. This site has great pics of what life was like in the past and also when Ian was there amounderness.co.uk/amusement_arcade_c1972.htmlThis pic was taken on holiday before they moved down - Young Ian is making sandcastles and just out of the pic is St Annes Pier. The hotel in the background was called The Majestic and is no longer there - turned into flats. i56.images obliterated by tinypic/24vitrd.jpg[/IMG] i52.images obliterated by tinypic/qo9bab.jpg[/IMG] i51.images obliterated by tinypic/mkdbwz.jpg[/IMG] Ian says here that he enjoyed living by the sea - don't know why he hasn't got a house in say Cornwall? ;D www.tullpress.com/ms20sept98.htmPs I'll follow this with Ian,Jeffrey and John - the teenage years
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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 6, 2010 13:24:44 GMT
That's always interested me too, as it always seemed a little implausible on two counts: 1, that his father had retired from owning his own business and 2. that his parents must have been fairly old, given the age of their other children. And didn't they move to Lytham St Annes rather than Blackpool, which is a significant difference. It's a very upmarket place and not at all the same as Blackpool. Ian may have gone to school in Blackpool, but it was the Grammar School and I wonder if this distinction can be seen in songs like 'Up to me' (let alone Up the pool). The accounts I have read all seem a little fuzzy so if anybody knows it would be very interesting. It's an interesting story - if anyone is a geneologist maybe they can help out too. From Greg Russo's "Flying Colours" book: Ian Scott Anderson was born August 10, 1947 in Dunfermline, Fifeshire, Scotland. Dunfermine is a small town located in the Scottish lowlands, and the Anderson family moved across the Firth of Forth to Edinburgh, Scotland when lan was four years old. In 1953, lan entered Roseburn Primary School in Edinburgh. He also writes: Ian's first musical exposure was through the big band music that his parents enjoved. With the British breakthrough of Elvis Presley in 1956, a Presley "knockoff" ukclele became lan's first instrument as a nine year old. This toy proved to be near useless, so at the age ot 11, lan persuaded his father to purchase a Spanish guitar for £5 at an Edinburgh music shop. His father encouraged him to play that guitar, but Ian never reached the playing level that his father was expecting him to attain. In 1958, the Andersons moved to Blackpool, England, a seaside town in northern England. Mr. and Mrs. Anderson ran a boarding house and corner grocery store. Ian's father would also work as a night watchman. With his family's move, Ian attended Blackpool Grammar School for Boys and enjoyed math and the sciences to the extent that he aspired to a career that used both disciplines. Musically, at 15 years old he started to go beyond the typical three guitar chords.From wikipedia: Ian Anderson's father, James Anderson, ran the RSA Boiler Fluid Company in East Port, Dunfermline. He spent the first part of his childhood in Edinburgh. His family moved to Blackpool, Lancashire in 1959, where he gained a traditional education at Blackpool Grammar School, before going on to study fine art at Blackpool College of Art from 1964 to 1966I read somewhere, maybe on the Forum, that IA's eldest brother Robin was born in 1930 and Alistair, the second brother, was born in 1935.
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Post by earsoftin on Sept 9, 2010 19:21:33 GMT
Those are fantastic pictures - I had seen the picture of Ian on the beach but didn't realize it was at Lytham - good detective work! What strikes me as well is how formally dressed he is for playing on the beach - serious stuff! It perhaps helps to explain the depth of the revolt against the family. His parents must have been quite old given the age of his brothers, which would have made the generation gap seem still greater. I assume (from the way he is dressed) that they had a very traditional approach.
All this makes me doubt the Russo account! I had read it before, but Ian's dad as a night watchman doesn't ring true. Of course, it might be right, but without any sources quoted it is hard to say.
Several years ago there was something posted on the web by a former girlfriend of Ian's in which she notes 'Mr. and Mrs. Anderson were retired by the time I started going out with Ian. I seem to remember Mrs. Anderson helping out part-time at an old people's home in St. Annes-on-Sea where they lived. They had a small upstairs flat in Cavendish Road, St.Annes-on-Sea near Blackpool.' She also notes that 'He told me that he admired the companionship that his parents shared, giving me the impression that they didn't socialise very much but stayed home in the evenings, sometimes in happy silence just reading books together. Although I recall that Ian often felt somewhat outside his parents' relationship he admired their closeness and hoped for that kind of relationship one day himself.' So this background does seem to be important in understanding the earlier songs, at least. One day there will be a proper biography that integrates the music with the social context!
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Post by steelmonkey on Sept 10, 2010 4:02:35 GMT
We really do need a well researched biography of Ian Anderson....Maybe he will write an autobiography one day or maybe we'll have to wait but either way a non-sensationalized, academic study of the life and times of a certain rock and roll flautist, singer and songwriter is sorely needed.
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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 10, 2010 8:03:57 GMT
I suppose IA would argue that it's all in the public domain if folks want to seek it out. Having "consumed" most of the books about Tull over the years and read avidly the serious articles about the band (Sounds, Melody Maker, Record Collector etc) any knowledge we have is from these sources as I expect others would agree.
The persons to write the definitive bio of IA would, in my opinion, be Dave Rees and Martin Webb who have always had the determination to dig deep to get most of the facts. However all the books on Tull, Dave's included, do sometimes contain "suppositions" and a trawl through them all will come up with the information in one form or another.
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Post by earsoftin on Sept 10, 2010 15:34:35 GMT
I sort of agree with you, except that sometimes the contextual detail is passed over. So, for me, the difference between Lytham and Blackpool is important in social terms. And so is the status of Blackpool Grammar School - as I understand it, a very traditional school at the time, with very much Oxbridge traditions. This must, you would have thought, have an impact on a young sensitive boy moving into a new environment in a family where he is essentially an only one with very traditional parents. Then having to go to Blackpool in your grammar school uniform might have been problematic at times - I certainly remember that when I was at grammar school in the mid 60s there were tensions with those who went to the secondary modern.
These little nuances seem important to me in understanding the nature of the revolt on My God and Wind Up. I've seen some claim Anderson (and the rest) as public school boys - which is completely wrong. But what I think shapes them is that grammar school ethos, which continues to shape the humour - just think of the sleeve for TAAB - surely the epitome of sixth form humour!
So the material might be out there but the fine distinctions don't seem to be. That's why I thought nonrabbit's pictures were so great - filled in another part of the jigsaw for me!
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Post by maddogfagin on Sept 10, 2010 17:49:00 GMT
These little nuances seem important to me in understanding the nature of the revolt on My God and Wind Up. I've seen some claim Anderson (and the rest) as public school boys - which is completely wrong. But what I think shapes them is that grammar school ethos, which continues to shape the humour - just think of the sleeve for TAAB - surely the epitome of sixth form humour! Sixth form humour - so very true, but also a part of the times that it was created. Don't think you'd get the same these days and I couldn't imagine TAAB or similar being recorded today. The same as goes for The Bonzo's, Peter Cook & Dudley Moore, Python, That Was The Week That Was etc. The 1960's and early 70's have a lot to answer for but boy was it a creative time, humour wise.
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 11, 2010 8:43:46 GMT
does anyone know what happened to the coat? i49.images obliterated by tinypic/w7n9eo.jpg [/IMG][/quote] I've just realised that this was probably not the coat as, if it's true,the missing coat was the one his father gave him so it's more than likely to be the one on Maddog's signature pic. This chequered coat was likely to have been bought for tuppence in Portobello market. Correct me please if I'm wrong
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Post by nonrabbit on Sept 11, 2010 9:28:14 GMT
I sort of agree with you, except that sometimes the contextual detail is passed over. So, for me, the difference between Lytham and Blackpool is important in social terms. And so is the status of Blackpool Grammar School - as I understand it, a very traditional school at the time, with very much Oxbridge traditions. This must, you would have thought, have an impact on a young sensitive boy moving into a new environment in a family where he is essentially an only one with very traditional parents. Then having to go to Blackpool in your grammar school uniform might have been problematic at times - I certainly remember that when I was at grammar school in the mid 60s there were tensions with those who went to the secondary modern. These little nuances seem important to me in understanding the nature of the revolt on My God and Wind Up. I've seen some claim Anderson (and the rest) as public school boys - which is completely wrong. But what I think shapes them is that grammar school ethos, which continues to shape the humour - just think of the sleeve for TAAB - surely the epitome of sixth form humour! So the material might be out there but the fine distinctions don't seem to be. That's why I thought nonrabbit's pictures were so great - filled in another part of the jigsaw for me! I am also really interested in his background in order to get a picture of the person whose work has made such a big impression on me. I suppose as well you like to identify with something there too. I haven't read any of the books but I know I will be sorely disappointed if there isn't an official autobiography in the coming years. I think it's correct to say that he is a private person as I'm led to believe by others and that it's only recently he's actually talked a bit about himself to fans - even so - if you check out our Q&A he 's not giving too much away - yet? Being Scottish myself I can understand some bits about him that are maybe more Scottish than English but then even in that there is a parody in that he was 12 when he moved down so he was young enough to absorb his new surroundings however due to both his parents being Scottish he would have still been brought up in a Scottish household. Having said that his Church of Scotland (I presume) lower middle class ( I presume) East coast background was in contrast to my Catholic working class Glasgow background however I was an only child brought up with an elderly grandmother, sent to grammer school and although not made to go to Sunday school in a wee kilt - he got off lightly I was made to go to Monday/ Tuesday night Devotions, with a black lace scarf on my head. and boy did I pay attention to " My God" in the sanctuary of the teenagers bedroom. Incidently, I'm sure that when he went to Skye as the Laird, despite it being Scotland, he would have found it as alien as I would have as that is a totally different culture to Edinburgh/Glasgow (Lytham/London) I wonder how quickly he settled into that way of life? His parents were identical to some of my schoolfriends parents as the brilliant video of his parents shows I really don't think that his Dad would have been a nightwatchman in Lytham (although it is quoted in Tullpress) however it's hard to tell as I think all men of his age looked the same in their suits in the 50's/60's I wonder as well how easy it was for him to settle into an English school having a Scottish accent maybe easier as it was a grammer school? Also I think the theatrics and gaudy backdrop of a 1950's/60's tourist Blackpool might not have been a huge part of his social life however I'm sure it has been an influence of sorts. edited ( I think there'll be a few edits and add ons to this thread) His mother was in fact English - surprisingly so as I thought her accent in the video is very Scottish. www.classicrockrevisited.com/interviewIanAnderson.htmsee "what influences" questionHis parents met each other in Blackpool as he states here in an 80's interview with Jools Holland. Can we therefore assume that his mother was born there?
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Post by nonrabbit on Dec 21, 2010 23:45:56 GMT
Read somewhere that Ian may have sang with Johnny Breeze and the Atlantics either prior to the Smash or as a one off. Anyone know if this is true? Also came upon this site which has great detail on the early Manchester music scene with a great pic of Glenn when with the Hobos www.manchesterbeat.com/groups/hobos2/hobos.php
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Post by tommie on Dec 22, 2010 18:36:40 GMT
I wonder if the fact that Ian named his first-born "James", his father's name, shows affection/respect for the dad......or is that just a traditional thing over there?
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Post by nonrabbit on Dec 22, 2010 18:53:50 GMT
I wonder if the fact that Ian named his first-born "James", his father's name, shows affection/respect for the dad......or is that just a traditional thing over there? ...there is a tradition - the same male name runs in my family for generations - confusing for all In the Highlands you can also get the female name equivalent of the male name by adding "ina" at the end eg Donaldina Jamesina etc - no imagination ;D
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